The Stunning Evolution of Millennials: They've Become the Ben Franklin Generation

ginwilly

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I read the book when it came out. It shaped my perspective going forward.
I need to read it again.
I admit I was surprised by the Newt quote. I never saw him as a new age thinker. I knew the dude was uber-smart, but he didn't seem like an open-minded thinker to me.
 

TBoneJack

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In essence, teens and young adults are the same as they've always been. They're immature and have no fucking clue what real life is. All they know is what they've learned from MTV.

They're easily swayed by public opinion and bright colors. And they believe the movie phrase "based upon a true story" actually means something.

They won't learn much about life until they have to support themselves 100%.
 
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ginwilly

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The entitlement generation.
So far, but I have hope they'll learn and grow and bring real change.

Btw, brother grew out something called Darkstar and I found myself watching your signature for 5 minutes before finishing this post. For those 5 minutes it was the greatest thing I've ever seen, need to call him and say thanks for a job well done.
 

heckler73

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In essence, teens and young adults are the same as they've always been. They're immature and have no fucking clue what real life is. All they know is what they've learned from MTV.

They're easily swayed by public opinion and bright colors. And they believe the movie phrase "based upon a true story" actually means something.

They won't learn much about life until they have to support themselves 100%.
The entitlement generation.
I take it neither of you watched the Howe vids I posted? The millenials' different senses of teamwork, and collective action, are two arguments put forth which counter your opinions. I'd be inclined to agree based on observation. Just look at how they use social networking, and how much value they place on it.

It is similar to what the Silent G.I. generation were (are?) like, except from a different angle.
Whereas the "totalitarian" had literal embodiment to the Silent G.I. (i.e. Hitler), it is now more ethereal or ideological for millenials. It is not so much a person or thing itself which is the cause of current struggle.
It is some other essence, some other idea...not necessarily tangible or palpable.

Who was it that said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme"? I doubt it was Mark Twain. Probably some smelly hippie in the Haight-Ashbury district.
 
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ginwilly

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Who was it that said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme"? I doubt it was Mark Twain. Probably some smelly hippie in the Haight-Ashbury district.
I thought it was Twain but I looked it up to confirm and the best I can get is maybe.

It's like that saying "I don't smoke pot anymore, I don't smoke any less either" W.C. Fields gets credit for it (drink though of course) but so do a lot of others, who knows?

One thing we all agree on, we gain wisdom through experience, so these kids will get wiser. The ones I meet are pretty far ahead of my generation at that same point in life when it comes to societal awareness. We were only aware (or cared) of our immediate surroundings. Just like us and our parents getting smarter as WE got older, I hope these kids realize that too and learn from our mistakes.

I like the Millenials much better than genX.
 

heckler73

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I like the Millenials much better than genX.
Was JFK alive at the same time as you?

EDIT: I just flipped open the book and landed on this passage,

As Boomers move more deeply into midlife, their collective mindset will grow more judgmental, snobbish, and severe. By nurture and habit, they will remain disinclined to do the regular or polite things that facilitate community life. Yet by midlife conviction, they will become what E.J. Dionne describes as "civic liberals" and "civic conservatives," obsessed with restoring shared values. This will pose a conundrum for Boomer parents and leaders as they traverse the millenium: How can a generation that can't march in a row tell others to do so? Graying boomers will respond by tying their Awakening-era credos about personal growth and authenticity ever more tightly to new imperatives of social altruism. Many will redefine their jobs to stress the inspirational or preaching role. America will see more of what Newt Gingrich calls "didactic politicians," public crafters of what [Bill] Bennett calls "the architecture of the soul."
 
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schuylaar

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Was JFK alive at the same time as you?

EDIT: I just flipped open the book and landed on this passage,

As Boomers move more deeply into midlife, their collective mindset will grow more judgmental, snobbish, and severe. By nurture and habit, they will remain disinclined to do the regular or polite things that facilitate community life. Yet by midlife conviction, they will become what E.J. Dionne describes as "civic liberals" and "civic conservatives," obsessed with restoring shared values. This will pose a conundrum for Boomer parents and leaders as they traverse the millenium: How can a generation that can't march in a row tell others to do so? Graying boomers will respond by tying their Awakening-era credos about personal growth and authenticity ever more tightly to new imperatives of social altruism. Many will redefine their jobs to stress the inspirational or preaching role. America will see more of what Newt Gingrich calls "didactic politicians," public crafters of what [Bill] Bennett calls "the architecture of the soul."
+rep :clap: post of the day!..sorry, heckler no stickin' stickers here courtesy of the boomers..they're in their 60's now..who here is in their 60's?

how apropos..good job!:clap:
 

schuylaar

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I take it neither of you watched the Howe vids I posted? The millenials' different senses of teamwork, and collective action, are two arguments put forth which counter your opinions. I'd be inclined to agree based on observation. Just look at how they use social networking, and how much value they place on it.

It is similar to what the Silent G.I. generation were (are?) like, except from a different angle.
Whereas the "totalitarian" had literal embodiment to the Silent G.I. (i.e. Hitler), it is now more ethereal or ideological for millenials. It is not so much a person or thing itself which is the cause of current struggle.

It is some other essence, some other idea...not necessarily tangible or palpable.
Who was it that said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme"? I doubt it was Mark Twain. Probably some smelly hippie in the Haight-Ashbury district.
repped again:clap:
 

ginwilly

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Was JFK alive at the same time as you?

EDIT: I just flipped open the book and landed on this passage,

As Boomers move more deeply into midlife, their collective mindset will grow more judgmental, snobbish, and severe. By nurture and habit, they will remain disinclined to do the regular or polite things that facilitate community life. Yet by midlife conviction, they will become what E.J. Dionne describes as "civic liberals" and "civic conservatives," obsessed with restoring shared values. This will pose a conundrum for Boomer parents and leaders as they traverse the millenium: How can a generation that can't march in a row tell others to do so? Graying boomers will respond by tying their Awakening-era credos about personal growth and authenticity ever more tightly to new imperatives of social altruism. Many will redefine their jobs to stress the inspirational or preaching role. America will see more of what Newt Gingrich calls "didactic politicians," public crafters of what [Bill] Bennett calls "the architecture of the soul."
JFK was before my time but what you quoted there sums up my opinion of the genX crowd too, the intolerance of the moral majority and politically correct might as well be related, it comes from the same place of collective thought of we know what's best. I think it's pretty closed minded to equate that to JUST boomers (I think the boomers make up most of the moral majority, haven't seen stats to back it up though).

From a personal standpoint I think society advances more organically than by force. When we shifted focus away from the collectives and the royals, we led the world into a new level of prosperity. Those countries that tried to shift away from individualism and tried to force collectivism brought about poverty and suffering on a scale never before seen. I know you think differently, but I feel focusing on the individual like our constitution did is what's best for the collective while focusing on the collective like Lenin, Mao or Mousilini did is detrimental to the individual which has been shown to be detrimental to the collective. The liberty movement in college is a phenomenon I've never witnessed before, this gives me hope. (then we have the occupy crowd and I'm reality smacked). The occupy movement was a great idea but I've never witnessed such a counter-productive execution. Right idea, good, terrible display of message, bad.

Kids these days are involved though, not seen in this country since the 60's. My generation just wanted to play atari and watch mtv.
 

UncleBuck

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...intolerance...politically correct...collective thought...closed minded... force... the collectives and the royals...force collectivism ...poverty and suffering ...the collective ... the collective ...Lenin, Mao or Mousilini ...the collective....the occupy crowd...
no one wants to hear your white supremacy beliefs, much less read them.
 

ginwilly

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LOL, I keep seeing ignored member every time I make a post. Is he still replying to my posts even though I repeatedly say I'll never read one?

If you are trying to convince people you are not a pathetic creepy stalker dude, you are going about it the wrong way. Might I recommend changing your name to Caitlyn and getting implants? She gets way more attention and is lauded for bravery, you are just laughed at.
 

UncleBuck

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LOL, I keep seeing ignored member every time I make a post. Is he still replying to my posts even though I repeatedly say I'll never read one?

If you are trying to convince people you are not a pathetic creepy stalker dude, you are going about it the wrong way. Might I recommend changing your name to Caitlyn and getting implants? She gets way more attention and is lauded for bravery, you are just laughed at.
the daily ginwilly meltdown. always a treat, never disappoints.
 

ginwilly

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LOL, I see ignored member responded within seconds of a post saying how pathetic he is to respond to every post I make.

Dance puppet dance!

Show how desperate and obsessive you are by totally NOT responding to this one too calling you out. Go ahead and ignore it, bet you can't.
 

UncleBuck

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LOL, I see ignored member responded within seconds of a post saying how pathetic he is to respond to every post I make.

Dance puppet dance!

Show how desperate and obsessive you are by totally NOT responding to this one too calling you out. Go ahead and ignore it, bet you can't.
why would i ignore this?

watching you have meltdown after meltdown is the best entertain ment possible.
 

ginwilly

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Yes! I own you, you are my bitch.

Bet you can't let this one go either, wanna bet? I bet you aren't capable of not responding to me. Show us what you are made of here.

LOL too funny.

Let's see how many in a row you can show what a creepy stalker dude you are.
 

UncleBuck

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Yes! I own you, you are my bitch.

Bet you can't let this one go either, wanna bet? I bet you aren't capable of not responding to me. Show us what you are made of here.

LOL too funny.
if you own me, then why are you too afraid to even explain your neck down evolution theory ver since i discovered that you ripped it straight from the pages of nicholas wade, who is beloved by white supremacists like david duke and jared taylor?

go ahead, make another passive-aggressive post proving just how well you are doing at ignoring me.

:lol:
 
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