bicit
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Why mix 3k and 4k when you can just get 3500K...
Help choosing an LED replacement for 1000HPS?
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JimmyIndica
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All preference! Tomatos /Tamatos
Darth Vapour
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You guys got to get away from the mind set that that video proves beyond a reasonable doubt the spyder out yielded the HPS and only by what a margin ..
they sure were not going to make it blow the HPS by a red mile now would they ??? and why cause after other real people , purchase them @ what 2500 a piece or what ever ??????
Soon it would get out that there a joke lied and we all know how fast a company can go south just by rumor and people trying there product ..
how about them video's that show some 300 - 500 watt led tht claims 300 true watts ???? And a customer tests it only to find out its 230 watts ?????
But a sale is a sale with 30 day money back but sad thing is you will not finish a grow in 30 days so they got you by the balls,,
After the big upset your stuck with it unless it fails then you can send it in at your cost n wait ..
and you can cry all you want and state well that video showed it out yielded a 1000 wtt HPS how come i cannot get even close to that yield i got the same strain lol ...
mean while your pulling little over 1 lb if that,, Seriously
Reminds me of the daily commercials GM Vs Ford
You notice FORD never uses GM , Where as GM will show there trueck pulling a ford hahaha or something like that ...
Yet ford remains the number 1 selling truck
they sure were not going to make it blow the HPS by a red mile now would they ??? and why cause after other real people , purchase them @ what 2500 a piece or what ever ??????
Soon it would get out that there a joke lied and we all know how fast a company can go south just by rumor and people trying there product ..
how about them video's that show some 300 - 500 watt led tht claims 300 true watts ???? And a customer tests it only to find out its 230 watts ?????
But a sale is a sale with 30 day money back but sad thing is you will not finish a grow in 30 days so they got you by the balls,,
After the big upset your stuck with it unless it fails then you can send it in at your cost n wait ..
and you can cry all you want and state well that video showed it out yielded a 1000 wtt HPS how come i cannot get even close to that yield i got the same strain lol ...
mean while your pulling little over 1 lb if that,, Seriously
Reminds me of the daily commercials GM Vs Ford
You notice FORD never uses GM , Where as GM will show there trueck pulling a ford hahaha or something like that ...
Yet ford remains the number 1 selling truck
bicit
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You aren't very good at making analogies.
Darth Vapour
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Let me see here anyone really pushing a product has a agenda , or interest in it, plain n simple.
Its not HPS comparing it to LED its LED comparing it to HPS
So really HPS has nothing to prove one bit ,, it produces n produces consistently over n over
now until the tables are turned stick with the sure bet i never said once COB will not grow it sure does but like this thread a led 1000 watt replacement are we not talking about 1 1000 watt and 1 unit not two three units that will replace 1 for 1 is there a led unit that pulls 2- 2.5 consistently out there not 1000 watt hid vs 2 - 3 unit led
Its you guys claiming it grows better bud more resin better smoke ???
well if you look back a page them frosty nugs are grown under HPS looks mighty fine to me NO ???
Its like saying organic produces a better product .. Yet there has been thousands of tests showing its not true NPK is NPK chem or organic right ???
Its not HPS comparing it to LED its LED comparing it to HPS
So really HPS has nothing to prove one bit ,, it produces n produces consistently over n over
now until the tables are turned stick with the sure bet i never said once COB will not grow it sure does but like this thread a led 1000 watt replacement are we not talking about 1 1000 watt and 1 unit not two three units that will replace 1 for 1 is there a led unit that pulls 2- 2.5 consistently out there not 1000 watt hid vs 2 - 3 unit led
Its you guys claiming it grows better bud more resin better smoke ???
well if you look back a page them frosty nugs are grown under HPS
looks mighty fine to me NO ??? Its like saying organic produces a better product .. Yet there has been thousands of tests showing its not true NPK is NPK chem or organic right ???
Greengenes707
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The thing with led's like cobs and small vs bigger panels...there is zero difference in light output per w. All the bigger lights are is a bigger housing. They are not driven any harder...simply more are added.Let me see here anyone really pushing a product has a agenda , or interest in it, plain n simple.
Its not HPS comparing it to LED its LED comparing it to HPS
So really HPS has nothing to prove one bit ,, it produces n produces consistently over n over
now until the tables are turned stick with the sure bet i never said once COB will not grow it sure does but like this thread a led 1000 watt replacement are we not talking about 1 1000 watt and 1 unit not two three units that will replace 1 for 1 is there a led unit that pulls 2- 2.5 consistently out there not 1000 watt hid vs 2 - 3 unit led
Its you guys claiming it grows better bud more resin better smoke ???
well if you look back a page them frosty nugs are grown under HPS
Its like saying organic produces a better product .. Yet there has been thousands of tests showing its not true NPK is NPK chem or organic right ???
I agree there should be a 1 for 1...but there is...at600. But 2 panels vs 1 for the same price with the same everything...lots of people will be picking the 2 smaller.
Darth Vapour
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i just found this thread 432 watt spider cob grow is it that impressive really is the 432 watt spyder cob suppose to replace 600 ??? cause i can tell you athough again strains are different but at 60 + days veg from seed my 48 watt T5 sunblaster kicks the shit out of that thing 
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/completed-journals/228497-kingjohnc-s-twilight-groups-led-432w-spider-cob-seed-cabinet-grow-journal-review-32.html
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/completed-journals/228497-kingjohnc-s-twilight-groups-led-432w-spider-cob-seed-cabinet-grow-journal-review-32.html
KarmaPaymentPlan
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yep those are definitely the white cobs everyone's been talking about
Darth Vapour
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yeah but 180 degree lens ?? i will admit i know fuck all about Cobs or what ever but 180 degree why not 90 degree lense i bet it would be so much better
SupraSPL
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No one is saying HPS cant grow bud. The frosty ladies you posted look potent (although depending on how many weeks in that photo was, they look like lower yielders and maybe overferted). But the point is, if LED can increase potency then those frosty ladies would be even stinkier/stickier, more potent, quicker cleaner finish.
As far a organic vs chem. If youare an expert and do chem right Im sure it is fine to smoke. But it is a lot easier and cheaper to do organic right because the plant and microherd is in charge for the most part. Imagine if I tried feeding you intravenously. Chances are your digestive system will do a better job than me at figuring out what nutrients you need and when.
And empirically the difference shows, in my experience and testing people always prefer to smoke the organic buds over the chem buds and people will pay more for them, not even knowing that they are organic. We have had that experiment going on for years in this area and the organic buds consistently outsell the chem buds even though they are soil grown in both cases.
Sorry for the off topic I am sure that will open a can of worms...
As far a organic vs chem. If youare an expert and do chem right Im sure it is fine to smoke. But it is a lot easier and cheaper to do organic right because the plant and microherd is in charge for the most part. Imagine if I tried feeding you intravenously. Chances are your digestive system will do a better job than me at figuring out what nutrients you need and when.
And empirically the difference shows, in my experience and testing people always prefer to smoke the organic buds over the chem buds and people will pay more for them, not even knowing that they are organic. We have had that experiment going on for years in this area and the organic buds consistently outsell the chem buds even though they are soil grown in both cases.
Sorry for the off topic I am sure that will open a can of worms...
nvhak49
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Noob question but what does running colder temps do at the end of a cycle do?Mongo you know me from long time ago i have ran temps near freezing near end of flowering talking 2 degrees cold, and from my experience running temps hotter 85 - 88 degrees it just took my
Mongo you have known me from long time ago, i have ran temps near freezing near end of flowering talking 2 degrees cold,
I follow more or less what mother nature does and thats make it rain in my room litterally and from my experience running temps hotter 85 - 88 degrees increased my photosynthesis. or optimal plant growth
You ever walk into a botanic Garden / green house ??? you walk in and almost stop dead lose your breath from the heat n humidity ....
and the plants in there are fucking phenomenal and why ?? higher temps and VPD
i used to follow the norm 76 degrees and it grew but once i said fuck this going to run it like family green houses and fuck me talking 4 - 6" growth daily you can literally watch it grow in front of your eyes ..
there is allot more at work then just spectrum root zone temps everything its amazing but growing with LED ot HPS you get all the more important shit taken care of then no matter what you use for lighting ..
Its going to produce i even run foggers in room da hell with foiler spraying plants like i said
make it rain lol .. here i figure i share, just love this pic with seedlings
Darth Vapour
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My ladies were like day 30 flower half way
in a make shit room in basement as those clones were made for a customer that didnt pick em up so rather then throw em out i just threw them in a room not even dialed in 2 k 4 pound harvest and i didnt even take care of em went there every 4 days n watered lol as for organic is it really cheaper ???? lets be serious here ,, start up costs are outrageous
top soil or base medium is cheap, well again depends on amount said grower needs it can add up rather quicky , with most growers they tend to shop where Rona , home depot hell even botanic gardens are not cheap ,, remember its seasonal work and they need to make the cut
so with that said buying amendments is what ?? pretty expensive 12 - 20 bucks for hardly fuck all per amendment go price out bone meal ??? blood meal ??? 12 - 20 bucks for small amounts ...
worm casting appears to be fairly cheap but hey pound of live worms over 100 bucks
so with everything added up you can easily be over 200 bucks and up sure once you got a compost bin operating ....
things become allot cheaper , but initial start up is pricey vs chem shit i have grown complete grow with less then 20 bucks chem MG tomato chem ferts but hey lets not stop there but hey lets not forget with organics and specially coming from Rona , home depot you better also invest in some organic pesticides that are the organics dream come true right ???
They know it as well so these come at a rather decent price usually almost double and 90 percent of the time does not combat them gnats , and aphids that come in them comercial soils everyone buys
Sure you added all the amendments ???? But is it good and right amounts ,,
This is where you spend another 70 bucks to get soll tested hey we all know what happens when on element over dominates another
So at the end of the day is it cheaper ??? i dont think so and dont fool your self
I also like to note on your last paragraph last time i looked at a plant NPK is NPK one readily available other needs to be broken down for plant uptake
i am guessing you name is Daryl
KarmaPaymentPlan
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you are so right man what the hell have these people been doing recycling dirt and top dressing with a handful of amendments shit doesn't work unless you get it tested and start fresh every time and bugs nasty bugs always everywhere cuz they don't downed them with an absurd amount of salts....Your a joke and i think most of us would appreciate it if you just stop maybe take your whining over to 420 or wherever you keep looking for examples to put people downMy ladies were like day 30 flower half way
as for organic is it really cheaper ???? lets be serious here ,, start up costs are outrageous
top soil or base medium is cheap, well again depends on amount said grower needs it can add up rather quicky , with most growers they tend to shop where Rona , home depot hell even botanic gardens are not cheap ,, remember its seasonal work and they need to make the cut
so with that said buying amendments is what ?? pretty expensive 12 - 20 bucks for hardly fuck all per amendment go price out bone meal ??? blood meal ??? 12 - 20 bucks for small amounts ...
worm casting appears to be fairly cheap but hey pound of live worms over 100 bucks
so with everything added up you can easily be over 200 bucks and up sure once you got a compost bin operating ....
things become allot cheaper , but initial start up is pricey vs chem shit i have grown complete grow with less then 20 bucks chem MG tomato chem ferts but hey lets not stop there but hey lets not forget with organics and specially coming from Rona , home depot you better also invest in some organic pesticides that are the organics dream come true right ???
They know it as well so these come at a rather decent price usually almost double and 90 percent of the time does not combat them gnats , and aphids that come in them comercial soils everyone buys
Sure you added all the amendments ???? But is it good and right amounts ,,
This is where you spend another 70 bucks to get soll tested hey we all know what happens when on element over dominates another
So at the end of the day is it cheaper ??? i dont think so and dont fool your self
I also like to note on your last paragraph last time i looked at a plant NPK is NPK one readily available other needs to be broken down for plant uptake
i am guessing you name is Daryl
SupraSPL
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I started with a batch of roots organic soil my buddy used. Add a bunch of organic compost/EWC I made myself with red worms I gathered from leaf piles in the spring. Chicken manure from organic layers is $1/pound. Add some kelp meal and organic alfalfa meal and you are set. Brew some EWC tea here and there. You can use this soil indefinitely and I have been for years.
I have never have had my soil tested, although I would like to. Never mess with PH etc, you know the story. I love bugs in my soil I have millions and billions of soil mites, springtails and thousands of wood lice that like to chew on composting stems. Much cheaper than buying insect frass.
I will say this, Churchaze and I went head to head to see who could do it cheaper, DIY chems vs recycled organic and I think we came up even. So if you know how to mix your own ferts and avoid the hydro shops it can be done. I do believe in the saying nature laughs last so I would rather do things as natural as I can (I use LEDs rather than sun/greenhouse due to the corrupt legal situation).
I have never have had my soil tested, although I would like to. Never mess with PH etc, you know the story. I love bugs in my soil I have millions and billions of soil mites, springtails and thousands of wood lice that like to chew on composting stems. Much cheaper than buying insect frass.
I will say this, Churchaze and I went head to head to see who could do it cheaper, DIY chems vs recycled organic and I think we came up even. So if you know how to mix your own ferts and avoid the hydro shops it can be done. I do believe in the saying nature laughs last so I would rather do things as natural as I can (I use LEDs rather than sun/greenhouse due to the corrupt legal situation).
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HiloReign
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It's obvious you don't know shit about COBs as well as growing organic.My ladies were like day 30 flower half way
as for organic is it really cheaper ???? lets be serious here ,, start up costs are outrageous
top soil or base medium is cheap, well again depends on amount said grower needs it can add up rather quicky , with most growers they tend to shop where Rona , home depot hell even botanic gardens are not cheap ,, remember its seasonal work and they need to make the cut
so with that said buying amendments is what ?? pretty expensive 12 - 20 bucks for hardly fuck all per amendment go price out bone meal ??? blood meal ??? 12 - 20 bucks for small amounts ...
worm casting appears to be fairly cheap but hey pound of live worms over 100 bucks
so with everything added up you can easily be over 200 bucks and up sure once you got a compost bin operating ....
things become allot cheaper , but initial start up is pricey vs chem shit i have grown complete grow with less then 20 bucks chem MG tomato chem ferts but hey lets not stop there but hey lets not forget with organics and specially coming from Rona , home depot you better also invest in some organic pesticides that are the organics dream come true right ???
They know it as well so these come at a rather decent price usually almost double and 90 percent of the time does not combat them gnats , and aphids that come in them comercial soils everyone buys
Sure you added all the amendments ???? But is it good and right amounts ,,
This is where you spend another 70 bucks to get soll tested hey we all know what happens when on element over dominates another
So at the end of the day is it cheaper ??? i dont think so and dont fool your self
I also like to note on your last paragraph last time i looked at a plant NPK is NPK one readily available other needs to be broken down for plant uptake
i am guessing you name is Daryl
For one, bone and blood meal are for TLO and supersoil mixes, which are next to garbage. Second, if you're a serious organic gardener you aren't buying worms and vermicompost as it's so damn simple to make your own. After preparing a base mix (aeration/peatmoss/vermicompost) the only thing you need to do is maintain it with amendments and it only gets better over time.Yes, that means re-using your soil rather than throwing shit out and buying more (lol?). To re-amend, you only need around 1/4 of what you originally amended. Sure you can get your soil tested but there are proven mixes that have worked over and over again thus it would be a waste of time. I'd feel obligated to address your childish oblivion further but this is the internet after all, everything I'm saying has already been uttered many times in many different ways. You'd do well to take your head out of your ass and utilize the search functions available to you.
I, for one, hope you stop ignorantly feeding gigantic corporations who're only poisoning you & your grandchildren and turning a profit for it.
Darth Vapour
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Only joke in here is you talking shit like that your grows prove it
clown ass WTF why do you have to top dress your soil should work non teas and top dressing maybe you should give your head shake idiot ????organics is not cheaper initial start up is rather expensive " TRUTH HURTS " go cry somewhere else like the noob section where you belong
SupraSPL
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I daresay you are not missing anything when it comes to BML. I have been skeptical about the cooling design since it is low-surface area passive cooled and using red LEDs. Greengenes confirmed it was running hot (80C?) which really punishes the output of red leds, junction temp is their kryptonite. With a case temp of 60C they likely have a junction temp of 75C. That is 35% temp droop from ambient.
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Darth Vapour
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So your following other peoples recipes and your a pro now lol ok dude another monkey riding that mini bike 800 posts and 200 likes kinda tells us all your pretty stupid .. please show us one of your organic grown plants ???
Oh yeah you on't have any
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HiloReign
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Because you aren't following what someone else intended you to by buying "chem super secret sauce A, B, C, veg booster, bud master blaster" right? LMAO
I said it before but you really drive the point home better than anyone I know of... You can't convince stupid that they're stupid.
I said it before but you really drive the point home better than anyone I know of... You can't convince stupid that they're stupid.