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AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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I hear ya, the only issue I could see happening since all females carry the recessive herm trait (some just show it easier from stress) is by the time of breeding the trait to not show as easy from another more stable recessive herm plant, is that the plant genetics traits might not show very much of the original plant that was being worked. It would become something much different imo. That's how I think it would work anyway, but I'm not positive
 
bf80255

bf80255

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Joedank said:
that user @Hammerhead571 is working with the gg4 a bunch i think>??? and finding some gems. i heard.. i think he has had that cut as long as anyone or some thing..lol sorry to sound like a high schooler with roumores
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the reason I suggested the selfing was to purge the line of the hermi trait rather than outcross and lose track of it again. but I feel you man, you just wanted bud from her right?
 
Joedank

Joedank

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well yes and no ... sour dubble is a straini have wanted awhile to breed with for myself... but the crosses from her seem awsome too got a few in golden lion packs i popped for this outdoor year... might hit a small clone of the gg4 wit silver at the right time and hit a branch on a big outdoor one ... see what we see..lol

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the reason I suggested the selfing was to purge the line of the hermi trait rather than outcross and lose track of it again. but I feel you man, you just wanted bud from her right?
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AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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No hermie for me, I've never had a plant hermie to be honest. One time I thought something hermied last year, but I don't think it really did, but I didn't know what I was looking at so I pulled the suspect plant. The gg4 x jedi Kush was the product of a friend's jedi Kush throwing a ball (we think) and I grew out the only seed that was found and it didn't hermie at all. I've yet to have my own plants herm (except the one suspect plant last year, but I grew the same clones out a couple times and none of those hermied so I think I was just paranoid at the time). The gg4 x jedi is still in flower and is 30 days into 12/12
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wat happened with it? hermed on you? did you finish growing it out?
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oldman60

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there is a difference between a hermaphrodite
and a plant that in it's last throws of life pushing 1 or 2 male flowers to continue the species.
I've had Sweet Tooth, SLH, Green Poison and a few more have a half dozen seeds in a
plant by letting them go 70 days or more but I never saw "nanners" like last grow these were
highly visible clusters under the bud vs. just a single male "pecker" in a bud.
Forgive the novice but in 4 years of indoor growing last grow was the first herm attack
I've encountered and it wasn't just the F1's that hermed I had some fem commercial seeds
herm on me. The room had the same conditions as any other grow that I've done no change
in temp, feeding, light.

:peace:
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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Oldman, Bananas are female pollen, balls are male pollen on a female plant. Both are herming. The bananas usually come from stress ie. Letting the plant flower too long or other environmental stresses, the hermie balls usually show in the first 3 weeks of flower from what I gather, they need to be plucked by week 3 or there will be pollination. The bananas can also be picked off I think. Again, I've never had an issue (yet) and I've grown a ton of strains, I've grown strains that people say will herm that never herm, I've even used herm pollen from a friend's plant and pollinated my plant (the chemalope) which was forced herm pollen from a herm prone plant (chemdawg) and still no herm issues with the offspring. Not really sure how so many people have the issues, it kind of baffles me :p
 
Dr.D81

Dr.D81

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oldman60 said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there is a difference between a hermaphrodite
and a plant that in it's last throws of life pushing 1 or 2 male flowers to continue the species.
I've had Sweet Tooth, SLH, Green Poison and a few more have a half dozen seeds in a
plant by letting them go 70 days or more but I never saw "nanners" like last grow these were
highly visible clusters under the bud vs. just a single male "pecker" in a bud.
Forgive the novice but in 4 years of indoor growing last grow was the first herm attack
I've encountered and it wasn't just the F1's that hermed I had some fem commercial seeds
herm on me. The room had the same conditions as any other grow that I've done no change
in temp, feeding, light.

:peace:
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Yes I agree a few late nanners is a survival trait that is common in seedless crops, and is much different than a true herm plant. A true herm in my experience shows week 4-7 of flower. Week 10 nanners don't count IMO
 
Dr.D81

Dr.D81

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AlphaPhase said:
Oldman, Bananas are female pollen, balls are male pollen on a female plant. Both are herming. The bananas usually come from stress ie. Letting the plant flower too long or other environmental stresses, the hermie balls usually show in the first 3 weeks of flower from what I gather, they need to be plucked by week 3 or there will be pollination. The bananas can also be picked off I think. Again, I've never had an issue (yet) and I've grown a ton of strains, I've grown strains that people say will herm that never herm, I've even used herm pollen from a friend's plant and pollinated my plant (the chemalope) which was forced herm pollen from a herm prone plant (chemdawg) and still no herm issues with the offspring. Not really sure how so many people have the issues, it kind of baffles me :p
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Yes pollen from a non herm plant forced as you are speaking of there again is different than a genetic herm. That is how every fem seed ever is made.
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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That's what I thought, balls are genetic and bananas are usually from a stressed plant but also in its genetics to form the bananas. I've been hoping to get something that herms forever now just so I can inspect it myself and see first hand, but no luck, it's wierd since everyone else gets them now and again

I found this that explains bananas fairly well

"What are they? Bananas are actually the exposed “male” parts of a pollen sac, called the “stamen” which would normally be surrounded by a sac to hold all the pollen until it bursts open. If you open up a fully formed male pollen sac, you will see bananas (stamens) inside.

But when bananas appear on your plants, they don’t need to “burst” in order to spread pollen, they will immediately start making pollen and often will seed the buds that are close by even if bananas are removed right away, and sometimes the pollen can drift to other plants and pollinate them as well, too.
 
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