JUST SAY NO, to Legalized Recreational DOPE!

Timmahh

Timmahh

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Why you ask? Read and see.

Deschedule, Decriminalize and Deregulate Michigan Because More Laws Create More Criminals (you)

Repeal of Prohibition is the only redress for Michigan.
Especially after I seen the Chess Board.

It looks something like this

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Like has been said, Sharing is Caring right!

Please Remember the 2008 Michigan Medical Marihuana Act was a Peoples Initiated Constitutional Amendment.

Take Heed~
Anything that is passed by a Peoples Initiated Legislation, will come UNDER the Authority of anything in the Constitution, like the now being rewrote Michigan Medical Marihuana STATE CLUB To the Head ACT, where they will be writing in Compliance Checks if they want to. and Guess what happens if(as in as if) but more likely when they write in Compliance Checks into the Constitutional MMM A, and then Legalized Recreational Pot is passed by a Legislative Amendment which is UNDER the Authority of the MMMA, and you can grow 12, JUST LIKE THE MEDICAL PATIENTS.... but you get more, ie you are OVER LIMIT from the 2.5 in the MMMA too.

Can You Say Warrantless Compliance Checks???
Come on.. Give it a go. It has Such a sweet sound to it doens't it?
Say it with me one time.
Anddddddddddddddddd GO~

WARRENTLESS COMPLIANCE CHECKS!
Sounds nice doesn't it? I sure think it sounds SWEET.

I am basing this on Constitutional Authority. That is to say the Structure of Power in Michigan.

We the Electorate. (The People set here in Authority-that would be YOU)

The Constitution. (The MMM Act sets here in Authority-being rewrote by Congress with a 75% Super Majority as everyone celebrates the knife that is cutting their throat).

The Government. (Congress is here which includes Initiated Legislation (aka legalized recreational pot).

So. there you have it. Anything Congress does to the MMM Act while it is open to put in the CONCENTRATES the Fountainheads Dealed for... will have MORE Constitutional Authority than the Legalization of Recreational Pot."


Join us on Facebook, over 500 Michiganders in 2 months on board.
This is why.

This is the 100 word Statement of Purpose I have crafted to detail the objective of the act I have crafted.
I should have it ready to submit in a week or two. Welcome to the 4th but ONLY Sane Option for 2016 in Michigan.


"STATEMENT OF PURPOSE:

(1) Abrogate all codes, laws, policies, remove penalties for all cannabis

(2) use/associations.

(3) Removal from Michigan Controlled Substances Act in perpetuity.

(4) Cannabis/cannabis associations no longer actionable offenses

(5) against any persons in any manor whatsoever by Law Enforcement,

(6) Private, Local, or State Agencies/Agents. Strike all

(7) relevant Public Health/Criminal Codes and shall be kept in perpetuity.

(8) Allow cannabis use for persons 18+, minors with parental/guardian

(9) consent, for all treatments, research, medical, businesses,

(10) educational, industrial, manufacture, development/deployment, like

(11) other plants, plant products into any forms.

(12) Retail taxation/regulations conform to standard state tax codes.

(13) No Sin Taxes in perpetuity."

Decriminalize/Deschedule/Deregulate Michigan 2016 Because More Laws Create More Criminals (you)

Join us on Facebook here over 500 member in 2 months are against Giving the government full control over your Bodies own Endocannabinoid System via the Legal System Ruse of "Legalized Recreational Dope"
 
TheMan13

TheMan13

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Personally I gave up on state campaigns and initiatives quite some time ago. I will of course support them, although the criminal prohibition scheme of MJ in this country is top down (federal superiority) and based upon a specific Federal law, the Controlled Substance Act of 1970 to be exact:

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/811.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

Under this law the US Attorney General has the sole responsibility and can remove MJ just as easily as they have added substances such as GHB and MDMA in recent years. Until this fact of the matter changes, nothing will change in reality and regardless of state laws and initiatives. It's been nearly 20 years since California established their medicinal cannabis law and not one US Attorney General or their boss has flinched yet. Today nearly half the country have established medicinal laws while 10% even have recreational laws on the books. Long ago the argument was won that this federal criminal prohibition scheme is absurd and there is no lack of state legislation today to prove that fact of the matter. At this point it seems were just wasting our time, efforts and cash going down this same road that has proven fruitless repeatedly at addressing the actual problem for decades now. Sad to say, but the actual problem is (federal politicians and bureaucrats are) actually banking on this "insanity" at this point on our parts.

It's a top down problem as it relates to enforcement and funding. It's not just the Feds like the DEA, but the DOJ funds and directs your local LEO and drug task forces as well and regardless of local law. As if that is not dangerous and threatening enough, this same problem requires all cash transactions nationwide ensuring criminals target it. A 50% tax is a 100% more cash on hand which is that much more chance you'll be robbed by someone other than the government and blamed for that violent crime. State laws alone will not free the hemp industry, medical research or other international treaties caught up in this game of criminal prohibition. It's really nothing like the criminal prohibition of alcohol and it's constitutional amendments and it was designed that way.

Personally I believe it's time to cut the head off of this beast and demand accountability for this war in it's entirety. The President of the United States and their Attorney General need to be shamed into finally doing the right thing and historically marches and rallies at their doorsteps in our nations capital is what has brought about such change and conversation. A million patient march on the mall is what we've needed for quite some time IMHO. NORML has become a wealthy and powerful organization of lobbyists and activists financially dependent on this status quo (defense attorneys). It's time to stop following and paying for their decades of litigation and legislation. It's time to seek and demand integrity nationally as only the People can do with a show of force and solidarity, NOT lawyers, politicians, lobbyists and state laws ...


 
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Timmahh

Timmahh

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For clarity , the Statement of Purpose I posted above is from the Draft of the Full Text of the Proposal I have crafted over the last two months with the help from some very bright, and accomplished Michigan Professionals.
If you read it, I believe that if you don't or can not support it, you have then enjoyed the last 6.6 yrs of the States Boots on our necks.

Federal Supremacy does not apply to Innerstate Commerce. Federal Authority only apples to Interstate commerce as far as cannabis is concerned.

This is self Evident if you understand Structure of Government and apply it properly. but it must be done properly and in mass, or it is as you said, about as helpful as bumps on a frogs ass.

But that said, there is evidence all over the country of this simple fact. Take Kentucky for a moment.
Were you aware that if you Lived in Kentucky today, You can go to a Local Arms Manufacturer, and buy a fully automatic rifle, and the Federal Government can not do anything about it, So long as the manufacturer, or Owner, does not take that rifle across state lines, it is INNERSTATE Commerce, out of Federal Rule. But the moment a gun is taken across State Lines, if someone is caught, it is Federal Firearms trafficking across state lines, thus subject to federal authority.
But I get your position. But we are not talking Federal Government Redress here. We can only actually bring effect locally, but more importantly, via Making the State Honor its Submissive Position as being UNDER the Authority of the People, or we allow the State Government to trample us until there is nothing left but a mudpit.

After Thursdays Michigan Supreme Court Ruling, it is an Entirely New Ballgame...

Do not support Legalizing, it is a trap plain and Simple. We use this last SCR to Force Congress to fix what they fucked up, Return the MMM Act to the Department of Community Health, FULLY STRIPPING LARA OF ANY AUTHORITY in the process, as this was never a Licensing Act, it was a Community Heath Act. We force them to reverse all the bad changes to the act, fully restoring it to the Original Verbiage, which exceptions to the Added Conditions, and the 2 yr 60.00 card, but the rest of it goes.

If you have not read the MSC ruling released last Thrusday in the STATE vs Mazur, you damn well better read it by morning.
Now is the time, and the time is Now.

http://courts.mi.gov/Courts/MichiganSupremeCourt/Clerks/Recent Opinions/14-15-Term-Opinions/149290-Opinion.pdf
 
Dr.Pecker

Dr.Pecker

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What I see happening is, tobacco companies taking over, irradiating plants, growing monsanto cannabis + hemp seeds roundup ready(patented) and taking it right out of our hands. They sue every farmer that plants a seed that was pollinated by the wind. They make you pay for every seed. What I'm trying to say is if the guy across the street is growing monsanto and the wind blows his pollen in your garden. Then those seeds now belong to monsanto. It needs to be decriminalized to give all the new prospects a chance. we could still have the medical and set medical regulations.
 
TheMan13

TheMan13

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Timmahh said:
If you have not read the MSC ruling released last Thrusday in the STATE vs Mazur, you damn well better read it by morning.
Now is the time, and the time is Now.

http://courts.mi.gov/Courts/MichiganSupremeCourt/Clerks/Recent Opinions/14-15-Term-Opinions/149290-Opinion.pdf
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Yet another fine example of the ignorance and audacity of jurisprudence with an agenda and no accountability. How can anyone reasonably deem marijuana a Schedule I Controlled Substance at the same time they acknowledge medicinal marijuana law exists? These attempts to move forward an agenda to frame MMMA as simply a narrow exemption to criminal law whereas both could peacefully coexist clearly lacks integrity. Either there is or there is not medicinal marijuana. Medicinal marijuana and Schedule I Controlled Substance marijuana cannot coexist by definition.

This is the list of Schedule I drugs as defined by the United States Controlled Substances Act. The following findings are required for drugs to be placed in this schedule:
  1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
  2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
  3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
 
TheMan13

TheMan13

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Treating marijuana like cocaine (Schd II) rather than heroin (Schd I) would still lack integrity IMHO. Especially with four states and counting treating marijuana as recreational by law, just like alcohol has been treated following it's ill fated federal criminal prohibition scheme. I assume this reality is why no AG has done their job to date regardless of the fact that it is clearly spelled out in the law and needs no "legal interpretation" to understand. Marijuana has clearly been wrongfully scheduled for decades now and it is these courts that are designed to and responsible for protecting us from exactly such malfeasance of the Executive branch (POTUS & USAG) using (criminal prohibition) legislation passed by Congress to illegitimate ends. What has gone so horribly wrong with this "rule of law" under these clowns and whom holds them accountable?
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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Dr.Pecker said:
What I see happening is, tobacco companies taking over, irradiating plants, growing monsanto cannabis + hemp seeds roundup ready(patented) and taking it right out of our hands. They sue every farmer that plants a seed that was pollinated by the wind. They make you pay for every seed. What I'm trying to say is if the guy across the street is growing monsanto and the wind blows his pollen in your garden. Then those seeds now belong to monsanto. It needs to be decriminalized to give all the new prospects a chance. we could still have the medical and set medical regulations.
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Patent law is a booger. I'm not sure that Monsanto could beat down all of these breeders who have been at it for years crossing strains and evolving the genes. I don't think it could hold up. Corn may have but, still.

Anyway, it has crossed my kind that if some rogue MJ hater wanted to eradicate weed it could be doable on a genetic end. Like make a rogue plant that when it pollinates others it makes it sterile or whatever. Not gonna worry about it too much.

Tobacco? I think when people realize that grow your own is so easy and cheap, like you can grow it for a few dimes a gram and a little of your time, many will just grow there own. I mean think about it. You can cook a steak at home, but sonetimes you just want to go to the steakhouse though it will cost more. It took long enough, finally we are seeing the evolution of weed in a lot of different ways.
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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Dr.Pecker said:
@Timmahh is trying to do something and I think its cool that he cares. Not many people care, not many people ask for advice. Look at this link It at minimum make cannabis a schedule 2 as far as the big D is concerned. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6630507.PN.&OS=PN/6630507&RS=PN/6630507
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Thank you, but I would be remiss to say my goals are not personal, nor are they unselfish. But that said. I want what is best for my daughter, niece and nephew, which means doing what is best for yours.
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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TheMan13 said:
Treating marijuana like cocaine (Schd II) rather than heroin (Schd I) would still lack integrity IMHO. Especially with four states and counting treating marijuana as recreational by law, just like alcohol has been treated following it's ill fated federal criminal prohibition scheme. I assume this reality is why no AG has done their job to date regardless of the fact that it is clearly spelled out in the law and needs no "legal interpretation" to understand. Marijuana has clearly been wrongfully scheduled for decades now and it is these courts that are designed to and responsible for protecting us from exactly such malfeasance of the Executive branch (POTUS & USAG) using (criminal prohibition) legislation passed by Congress to illegitimate ends. What has gone so horribly wrong with this "rule of law" under these clowns and whom holds them accountable?
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I do not plan to see Cannabis go the way of Big Alcohol, Tobacco or Pharma. We may not be able to stop them, but we can stop them from fully taking it all and bundling it up like the other 3 legal things, Big Pharma, Alcohol, and Recreational Dope as seen in other states, which is legal right up until it is not.

Legalization Authorizes Government Authority Over You! NOT POT.
That Is All It Can Do, That Is All It Will Do, And That Is All Legislation And Legalization Has Ever Done Throughout History Since The Dawn of Man, Space, and Time. And Specifically GOVERNMENT.

Retain Your Inalienable Rights For Yourselves. Do Not Disperse Your Authority To Others Under The Ruse Of "WE GOT THAT". Do Not Be Swept Into the Dreamy State of Someone Else Has That For You.

Be Forewarned, If You Let Somebody Else To Get That For You, Then They Will, And When They Get That For You, Guess What Else?
THEY GOT IT AND YOU DON'T

GET YOURS!

The website when it goes online will be found at www.MichICAN.us or .info. [Michigan Cannabis Action Network].
It will have everything anyone needs to answer the tough questions, documents, the Gov Patents, ect, all ready to be shared, or dled and printed.
I am looking for anyone in all 83 counties who want to end the madness, at least where Cannabis and Michigan are concerned.

IMO, The MMM Act was our baby step, and the government has pushed us down and held us back, with the help from the very spraying fountiainheads that claim to be saving the community from itself. Well, you know what happens nearly 100% of the time when you find yourself stuck under a spraying fountainhead? You just end up all Wet.

Decriminalize Michigan 2016 Because More Laws Create More Criminals

Which will always be you.
I ll start a thread tomorrow and post Draft A up for all to read and pick apart.
 
grizlbr

grizlbr

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Timmahh said:
Why you ask? Read and see.

Deschedule, Decriminalize and Deregulate Michigan Because More Laws Create More Criminals (you)

Repeal of Prohibition is the only redress for Michigan.
Especially after I seen the Chess Board.

Read somewhere to boycott alcohol until cannabis is legal, but since I do not drink alcohol, how about set a date to not purchase gasoline as a protest to get DC attention. Fill your tank and skip a day what would be a good day/date? Any day but Sunday I have to buy gas to get back home from grandmothers house. If just a portion of people supporting legalization set a date you would have documented statistical confirmation. 7.8.2015
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