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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Both.

Freedom of speech: Good, or bad?
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according to your republican buddies, freedom of speech is bad. very bad.

hence why they are literally tearing pages out of textbooks in arizona, barring mention of the words "climate change" in florida, and making it illegal to mention the existence of homosexuality in tennessee.

why do you right wing fascists hate freedom of speech so much?
 
DirtyMcCurdy

DirtyMcCurdy

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UncleBuck said:
that's odd, then why did every state list it as the very first reason in their declarations of secession?
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You forgot about social and economic inequalities and states rights. Two issues we still deal with today. I do not support the confederate flag. However, the idea of a confederacy against the government is idea I can be open minded about. They didn't want the government to have so much control... ahh, and look us now.
 
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fobesterdam

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"very first" only equates to "only" when you are trying to shape the "facts" to your chosen angle on the polemic. which is a strong indicator that some polemic clash is much more important to you than the issue itself.

iLOL.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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DirtyMcCurdy said:
You forgot about social and economic inequalities and states rights. Two issues we still deal with today. I do not support the confederate flag. However, the idea of a confederacy against the government is idea I can be open minded about. They didn't want the government to have so much control... ahh, and look us now.
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they didn't want the government to have so much control?

they were for states rights?

LAUGH OUT LOUD.

are you talking about the same group of southern states that lobbied for and got the fugitive slave act, aka the biggest federal power grab in history to that point?

the south was all about government control and ignoring states rights entirely when it came to getting their runaway slaves back. so excuse me while i laugh my fucking ass off when you claim the south was for states rights, as they trampled all over the will of the free north and cried for government control over them.

i won't even get into your mention of 'social inequalities' in the slaveholding south for fuck sake. that would give me a fucking aneurysm.

the confederacy was about one thing: slavery. hence why every single state that seceded mentioned it as the very first reason for seceding.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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fobesterdam said:
"very first" only equates to "only" when you are trying to shape the "facts" to your chosen angle on the polemic. which is a strong indicator that some polemic clash is much more important to you than the issue itself.

iLOL.
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your buddy just tried to reel off the standard set of lies about why else the south seceded.

states rights? nope. the south trampled all over states rights in the north to get their runaway slaves back.

government control? nope. see fugitive slave act. the south couldn't enforce that one on their own.

social inequality? nope. they owned other human beings as property. millions and millions of other human beings.
 
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fobesterdam

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weaselwhistle respondent paper sack puppets are extremely flimsy when struck nerves render them too moist. ;):-P :blsmoke:


but i also see your points buckybrah. im not the fluent historian on this issue that most hand me down and/or assimilated shoulder chip carriers are, but they seem a bit one-sided at initial inspection. maybe you can post the "reasons of secessions list" you got saved in ur stash of "ammo", LOL. then explain how "very first" equates to "only". hopefully you can teach me something relevant and/or interesting brah!
 
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