There is more evidence of God than can be denied.

[Chester da Horse]

everything will continue to be, until there is nobody to wonder why and how

unless without a conscious observer to generate reality, the cosmos ceases to exist. We are stuck in a 'matter over mind' mindset in the modern west, but an equally valid alternative is to propose that consciousness ('thoughts') ARE the entirety of the universe and manifest as matter when they intersect

 

[New Age United]

I don't think we ever will grasp it. But I think Believing in an all-powerful intelligent God that created all of us just existing is just as crazy as believing we all just exist

Call me crazy, but what if we do just exist, the entire universe just exists, it just does. The universe exists as it is and that is just the nature of things, it's as if it had to be this way.

 

[New Age United]

unless without a conscious observer to generate reality, the cosmos ceases to exist. We are stuck in a 'matter over mind' mindset in the modern west, but an equally valid alternative is to propose that consciousness ('thoughts') ARE the entirety of the universe and manifest as matter when they intersect

And so how do these thoughts come into existence in the first place?

There is more to consciousness than just thoughts; it is possible to stop thinking all together and remain conscious, Awareness.

 

[Chester da Horse]

And so how do these thoughts come into existence in the first place?

There is more to consciousness than just thoughts; it is possible to stop thinking all together and remain conscious, Awareness.

I actually copy pasted this next thought from some other site thread because this dude seems to worded things in a more approachable way:

"Both Time and Thought work as one. Whenever Thoughts vanish, Time also vanish and vice-versa as in Deep Sleep, Watching Movies, During Love, Meditation, Samadhi etc. Past, Present and Future are mere illusions. Now itself is Timeless. There is only an unimaginable Timeless Moment. Past is a Memory. Future is an Anxiety. Present is Timeless. The Timeless 'Now' is only Real. Everything happens in the Eternal Now. Now is grasped only as an Eternal Awareness Presence. In the 'Timeless Now' there is no room for Thoughts. You are that Thoughtless Awareness. Anything based on Thoughts is purely conceptual.

All that happen in your mind are Unreal, meaning they just happen as Illusions like in Dreams, but in a different consistent order. Happiness and Bliss are experienced only in the Eternal Now. This Eternal Awareness aka Eternal Now itself is full of Bliss, Joy and Love. You can't be in the Eternal Now, but You are the Eternal Now itself. All Depressions, Anger, Worries are getting trapped in Mind. Mind is just a Fun Ride. Awareness itself manifests as Universe as a Fun Drama. When you are living in the 'Now' you feel alive and Happy, like children do. This is the Absolute Reality. By setting aside your Mind as Illusion, you can continue to lead a life, but in an Effortless Way. Thoughts and Awareness are Opposites in deed. Thoughts arise in Awareness like Waves arise in Ocean. When thoughts subside you become the Awareness, like when waves subside the Ocean becomes still. Awareness is Singular, meaning it Neither Exists nor does not exist, because it is Timeless. Time and Space exist inside the Awareness. You are not inside the World. The World is inside You. Awareness is 'IT IS WHAT IT IS'. YOU ARE THAT AWARENESS."
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The simple human conceptualisations of linear time and individual/unique thought are a fallacy. Do you ever really know how a fresh, new idea comes into your head? Do you really generate something new in your neuronal network, or in moments of inspiration and creation, perhaps a fragment of universal consciousness is simply revealing itself to you in your head?

 

[New Age United]

I actually copy pasted this next thought from some other site thread because this dude seems to worded things in a more approachable way:

"Both Time and Thought work as one. Whenever Thoughts vanish, Time also vanish and vice-versa as in Deep Sleep, Watching Movies, During Love, Meditation, Samadhi etc. Past, Present and Future are mere illusions. Now itself is Timeless. There is only an unimaginable Timeless Moment. Past is a Memory. Future is an Anxiety. Present is Timeless. The Timeless 'Now' is only Real. Everything happens in the Eternal Now. Now is grasped only as an Eternal Awareness Presence. In the 'Timeless Now' there is no room for Thoughts. You are that Thoughtless Awareness. Anything based on Thoughts is purely conceptual.

All that happen in your mind are Unreal, meaning they just happen as Illusions like in Dreams, but in a different consistent order. Happiness and Bliss are experienced only in the Eternal Now. This Eternal Awareness aka Eternal Now itself is full of Bliss, Joy and Love. You can't be in the Eternal Now, but You are the Eternal Now itself. All Depressions, Anger, Worries are getting trapped in Mind. Mind is just a Fun Ride. Awareness itself manifests as Universe as a Fun Drama. When you are living in the 'Now' you feel alive and Happy, like children do. This is the Absolute Reality. By setting aside your Mind as Illusion, you can continue to lead a life, but in an Effortless Way. Thoughts and Awareness are Opposites in deed. Thoughts arise in Awareness like Waves arise in Ocean. When thoughts subside you become the Awareness, like when waves subside the Ocean becomes still. Awareness is Singular, meaning it Neither Exists nor does not exist, because it is Timeless. Time and Space exist inside the Awareness. You are not inside the World. The World is inside You. Awareness is 'IT IS WHAT IT IS'. YOU ARE THAT AWARENESS."
​

The simple human conceptualisations of linear time and individual/unique thought are a fallacy. Do you ever really know how a fresh, new idea comes into your head? Do you really generate something new in your neuronal network, or in moments of inspiration and creation, perhaps a fragment of universal consciousness is simply revealing itself to you in your head?

Very good post, thanks for sharing.

 

[Chester da Horse]

This was the first enjoyable philosophy discussion I've seen in 4 months on this forum - it actually went somewhere, with multiple people all respectfully contributing unique perspectives and sharing alternative viewpoints without excessive internet troll crap.

Thank you.

 

[MeinPorsche]

No one created the Universe. It does not need a creator. Here is a copy and paste from an article.

The source of existence is a vibrational ether field that all existence is of and arises from as energetic, geometric forms that hold information keys of existence that materialize across different wave lengths. The ancient texts stated this and current non jewed science has shown the same in this time. The teachings are based on sound, number and form. the science of light. This has always existed it has no start or end.

 

[Chester da Horse]

No one created the Universe. It does not need a creator. Here is a copy and paste from an article.

The source of existence is a vibrational ether field that all existence is of and arises from as energetic, geometric forms that hold information keys of existence that materialize across different wave lengths. The ancient texts stated this and current non jewed science has shown the same in this time. The teachings are based on sound, number and form. the science of light. This has always existed it has no start or end.

those ancient texts you refer to, would that include the vedas by any chance?

Their true meaning is lost to man (ancient dead language and all) but it contains the concepts of cyclical time on a cosmic (trillion year) scale, the dual atomic/quantative or wave nature of energy and mass and the dualism of unmanifest and manifested energy representing all states of potential omnipresently.

Quantum physics, string theory, the universal fundamental model of particle physics, the big bang, black hole singularity and event horizons, both theories of relativity and more are all crude fragmented pieces of the truth which our ancestors clearly understood.

And did you say 'non-jewed' science?, I think i love you

 

[MeinPorsche]

Don't love me, love the guy I ripped it from

edit: This is where it came from.
http://josministries.prophpbb.com/post44809.html#p44809

 

[New Age United]

those ancient texts you refer to, would that include the vedas by any chance?

Their true meaning is lost to man (ancient dead language and all) but it contains the concepts of cyclical time on a cosmic (trillion year) scale, the dual atomic/quantative or wave nature of energy and mass and the dualism of unmanifest and manifested energy representing all states of potential omnipresently.

Quantum physics, string theory, the universal fundamental model of particle physics, the big bang, black hole singularity and event horizons, both theories of relativity and more are all crude fragmented pieces of the truth which our ancestors clearly understood.

And did you say 'non-jewed' science?, I think i love you

Yes I think I will take a look at the vedas.

 

[Chester da Horse]

Yes I think I will take a look at the vedas.

be careful, they also include the methods for horse and fire sacrifice rituals to ensure a long reign or rain etc. in that sense, the literal and figurative/poetic interpretations of the sanskrit can be completely different.

I guess its a lot like the bible and quoran,