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like i said..they sure as hell are..and then mitt says something like 'well you can't blame us for leveraging the laws'..yeah! the tax code that you and your cronies purchased with the money that you saved taking cold showers..
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like i said..they sure as hell are..and then mitt says something like 'well you can't blame us for leveraging the laws'..yeah! the tax code that you and your cronies purchased with the money that you saved taking cold showers..citation.Millions of people work one job and live comfortably. Go ask them how they do it.
Padawanbater2
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Do you think people working more than one job aren't working hard enough?Millions of people work one job and live comfortably. Go ask them how they do it.
sheskunk
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I want to know your thoughts on the people who are doing ok. What are they doing differently?
sheskunk
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lol
Padawanbater2
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X, Y & Z. Why don't poor people just do X, Y & Z then? Because they're not in the position to. Be it because they're working more than one job, they can't afford school/have student debt, they can't afford reliable childcare, or they simply live in a place that doesn't offer better opportunities. There's also many different social aspects outside of their control, like race and sexual orientation/identity, etc.
Simple answer, they don't do it because they can't do it. People in America are not born with equal opportunity, there are many different scientific studies that prove this. People in higher economic classes have more opportunity than people in lower economic classes regardless of actual performance.
Do you believe people working more than one job aren't working hard enough?
UncleBuck
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why can't everyone just be born with exactly the same resources and opportunities that you had?
stupid idiots getting born into the cycle of poverty. their own damn fault for being born into it.
Padawanbater2
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Do you think they're not working hard enough though?
sheskunk
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I think that would need to be determined on a case by case basis.
Padawanbater2
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What would be an example of someone working more than one job who isn't working hard enough?
No answer he gives will be useful to anyone trying to move up. He only serves to take from someone else to prop up another who for whatever reason they fell short.
Self accountability has taken a back seat to entitlement. They want paid because they fucking showed up.
UncleBuck
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tell me about it.
some people think they are entitled to live the good life by paying wages so low that their employees are forced to rely on the government social safety net systems they cry so fucking much about.
sheskunk
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The guy who calls in sick 3 times a month because he parties too hard on Sunday.
That's just ONE example. There are probably a million more.
sheskunk
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If raising wages increase a businesses profits everyone who owns a business would voluntarily raise their pay.
I keep hearing a lot of contradicting "facts".
I don't have a problem with raising minimum wage, I just don't think it would solve anything. It goes far beyond being that simple of a fix.
I keep hearing a lot of contradicting "facts".
I don't have a problem with raising minimum wage, I just don't think it would solve anything. It goes far beyond being that simple of a fix.
UncleBuck
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classic two face ginwilly.
Padawanbater2
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The .01% of income earners are already "taking from someone else": the middle class. You are too politically biased to understand that, even when the facts ^^^ are staring you right in the face
Do you believe that represents the majority of people with more than one job? Do you believe the majority of poor people are poor because they're either stupid or lazy?
Everyone who owns a business doesn't believe raising wages will increase business. Furthermore, one business raising its employees wages won't necessarily have that outcome, the minimum wage for all businesses has to raise for everyone making minimum wage to have more disposable income to spend at said businesses
-raise the minimum wage
-end corporate welfare
-get money out of politics
-raise the estate tax
-strengthen unions
-invest in education
-expand social security
-invest in job training programs
That's the recipe for the fix
sheskunk
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Like I said, there are a million different reason why people are poor. It can only be determined on a case by case basis. You can't just lump a bunch of people into one category and point and say "this right here is the reason why". I feel raising minimum may be helpful, but it certainly isn't the cure.
sheskunk
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I agree with most of this.
Padawanbater2
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OK, so if there are a million different reasons why people are poor, why do your arguments generalize them as stupid/lazy?