.I have used it outside with good results
The nutes are for the benefit of the plants directly - the molasses is, primarily, for the benefit of the microbes in the soil. You are feeding two different things, for two different reasons, using two different products!.
I was wondering if molasses and liquid neuts could
be used and benefit a grow.
It seems redundant.
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Seems a lot of people use chemical nuets along with the organic nuets in premium soil such as FFOF.The nutes are for the benefit of the plants directly - the molasses is, primarily, for the benefit of the microbes in the soil. You are feeding two different things, for two different reasons, using two different products!
Unless you are using real organic liquid nutes, the molasses probably isn't really helping you much anyway. Chemical nutes are in a form that is "Plant Ready" - they don't need microbial action to be taken-up by the root system. Organic nutes, on the other hand, mostly come in an "un-digestible" form that must be "pre-chewed" by microbes before they are beneficial to the plant. So, "long story short", molasses is good for the microbes - which is good for the organic nutrients, which is good for the plants. Molasses does have some hormones and other things are said to be good for plants, but it's benefit is mostly as a microbe tonic.
If you use salt based fertilizers it will destroy the microorganisms in your soil, organic fertilizers promote these.Seems a lot of people use chemical nuets along with the organic nuets in premium soil such as FFOF.
Is there something not right with this method in your opinion?
I ask cause wouldn't molasses benefit the organic soil even though chemical neuts are used as well?
Kind of like a duel feeding simultaneously? Chemical and organic?
In an organic soil the plant will excrete exudes (sugars) from its roots to attract microbes to the rhizosphere. When you use synthetic nutrients the plants needs are being met so the exudes stop. This doesn't kill the microbes per se (providing that you aren't using obscene amounts of salts) but it kinda renders them useless.Seems a lot of people use chemical nuets along with the organic nuets in premium soil such as FFOF.
Is there something not right with this method in your opinion?
I ask cause wouldn't molasses benefit the organic soil even though chemical neuts are used as well?
Kind of like a duel feeding simultaneously? Chemical and organic?
Thank you for the clarification. Its always nice to learn something.In an organic soil the plant will excrete exudes (sugars) from its roots to attract microbes to the rhizosphere. When you use synthetic nutrients the plants needs are being met so the exudes stop. This doesn't kill the microbes per se (providing that you aren't using obscene amounts of salts) but it kinda renders them useless.
As mentioned above, molasses is primarily used as a food stock for microbes. It does contain some trace minerals and a decent amount of potassium, but nothing that a well rounded fertilizer won't already have. IMO use molasses for brewing compost teas. Beyond that I don't see much use for it when feeding your plant (or soil).
So you are saying the plants roots excrete sugars when in an organic environments, but this stops when salt base fertilizers are being used because it is not necessary. Right? If this is the case if you stop using the salt based fertilizers will the plants start producing the sugars again?In an organic soil the plant will excrete exudes (sugars) from its roots to attract microbes to the rhizosphere. When you use synthetic nutrients the plants needs are being met so the exudes stop. This doesn't kill the microbes per se (providing that you aren't using obscene amounts of salts) but it kinda renders them useless.
As mentioned above, molasses is primarily used as a food stock for microbes. It does contain some trace minerals and a decent amount of potassium, but nothing that a well rounded fertilizer won't already have. IMO use molasses for brewing compost teas. Beyond that I don't see much use for it when feeding your plant (or soil).
That's a good question. For us, growing weed in containers I'm not sure the plant would revert back quickly enough in such a small window of time. In nature, I would assume this takes place given enough time... ie if you were using synthetic fertilizer on your shrubs one season then stopped the following season. In all honestly I don't really know how quickly a plant will adapt from inorganic nutrients to organic nutrients.So you are saying the plants roots excrete sugars when in an organic environments, but this stops when salt base fertilizers are being used because it is not necessary. Right? If this is the case if you stop using the salt based fertilizers will the plants start producing the sugars again?
I will have to research this on my own too, sounds pretty interesting.
I think this issue has aleady been addressed, but I'll give it another shot! Chemical nutes are typically harmfull to the beneficial microbes that live in soil. So, yeah, I would consider that "not right". On the other hand, adding molasses would be beneficial to those same (mistreated) microbes - but isn't that a little like beating them with a stick with one hand - while patting them on the head with the other hand?Seems a lot of people use chemical nuets along with the organic nuets in premium soil such as FFOF.
Is there something not right with this method in your opinion?
I ask cause wouldn't molasses benefit the organic soil even though chemical neuts are used as well?
Kind of like a duel feeding simultaneously? Chemical and organic?
Im not here to start an argument or rile anyone up just want to soread knowledge and learn a few things myself while talkin to some growers who may help me along my journey.I think this issue has aleady been addressed, but I'll give it another shot! Chemical nutes are typically harmfull to the beneficial microbes that live in soil. So, yeah, I would consider that "not right". On the other hand, adding molasses would be beneficial to those same (mistreated) microbes - but isn't that a little like beating them with a stick with one hand - while patting them on the head with the other hand?
What I am saying is - Chemical nutes and organic growing work at odds towards one another - what's the point of making it more difficult? There will always be those who have different oppinions - that's why we have these discussions!