mathematician1.618
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socialism assumes to pass the means of production to the people...but that is bullshit, because it always becomes corporate.
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mathematician1.618
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Fascism is the merger of government and corporations to quoe Mussolini. So was Nazi Germany. How the fuck you think Hitler built that army?
mathematician1.618
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America is a corporate fascist state with a planned economy controlled by the federal reserve bank, we all know that. Since America has a planned economy with a central bank it's not really a capitalist system, it's a form of fascist corporate state where the Banking Cartel that owns the Federal Reserve plans everything and calls the shots.
abandonconflict
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By definition, that is capitalism.
You have that backwards.
Insurance companies wrote the ACA, so yet again, for so many consecutive times, you're wrong.
No, capitalism can not exist with out gov't to protect private property. Capitalism is an economic system in which infrastructure and resources are privately owned. There is nothing in the definition about gov't regulations.
Communism is a stateless and classless utopia which has never been achieved.
no, by definition that is capitalism. There are systems in which capitalism and socialism are mixed but those facets of such systems which are socialist are not correctly described as capitalist, or vice versa.
Please, new rule, you can't use a word if you have no fucking clue what it means.
abandonconflict
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No, under both Mussolini and Hitler, industries were PRIVATIZED.
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf
Please note the solidity of the citations.
mathematician1.618
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Read the Wikipedia there is different forms of socialism with private ownership. I have never seen a purely socialist state.
abandonconflict
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Lenin promised to do this, but that is not the definition of socialism either.
abandonconflict
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There are systems with capitalistic features and socialistic features. A purely socialist state has never existed.
mathematician1.618
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Agreed.
abandonconflict
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Now back to your blathering nonsense. Neither Obama or Hitler were socialists. Neither of them took economic infrastructure that had been private and made it communal or put it under worker control. On the contrary, both have privatized economic infrastructure and resources. Therefore, both of them are/were capitalists.
mathematician1.618
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Here is why I am right, as always:
Whole Foods CEO, John Mackey, doesn’t know what a fascist is.
Speaking with NPR this week, multimillionaire Mackey tried to expresshow much he hates Obamacare. Back in 2009, he hated Obamacare so much that he called it “socialism.” But now, in 2013, Mackey thinks Obamacare is “fascism.”
“Technically speaking, [Obamacare] is more like fascism,” he said. “Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn’t own the means of production, but they do control it, and that’s what’s happening with our healthcare programs and these reforms.”
Mackey has since walked back this description saying he “regrets using that word now” because there’s “so much baggage attached to it.”
But, whether Mackey meant to or not, it’s about time someone injected the word fascism back into our political debate. Especially now that corporations wield more power today than they have in America since the Robber Baron Era.
First, let’s take on Mackey’s definitions of socialism and fascism, which he likely procured from the Google machine after typing in, “What are the differences between socialism and fascism?”
Yes, socialism encourages more democratic control of the economy. Or, if Mackey insists, more government ownership of the economy – in particular, ownership of the commons and natural resources.
Fascism, on the other hand, is something completely different. Reporter Sy Mukherjee, who blogged about this story over at ThinkProgress.org notes, “Although fascist nations do often control their ‘means of production,’ Mackey seems to have forgotten that they usually utilize warfare, forced mass mobilization of the public, and politically-motivated violence against their own peoples to achieve their ends.”
Whole Foods CEO, John Mackey, doesn’t know what a fascist is.
Speaking with NPR this week, multimillionaire Mackey tried to expresshow much he hates Obamacare. Back in 2009, he hated Obamacare so much that he called it “socialism.” But now, in 2013, Mackey thinks Obamacare is “fascism.”
“Technically speaking, [Obamacare] is more like fascism,” he said. “Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn’t own the means of production, but they do control it, and that’s what’s happening with our healthcare programs and these reforms.”
Mackey has since walked back this description saying he “regrets using that word now” because there’s “so much baggage attached to it.”
But, whether Mackey meant to or not, it’s about time someone injected the word fascism back into our political debate. Especially now that corporations wield more power today than they have in America since the Robber Baron Era.
First, let’s take on Mackey’s definitions of socialism and fascism, which he likely procured from the Google machine after typing in, “What are the differences between socialism and fascism?”
Yes, socialism encourages more democratic control of the economy. Or, if Mackey insists, more government ownership of the economy – in particular, ownership of the commons and natural resources.
Fascism, on the other hand, is something completely different. Reporter Sy Mukherjee, who blogged about this story over at ThinkProgress.org notes, “Although fascist nations do often control their ‘means of production,’ Mackey seems to have forgotten that they usually utilize warfare, forced mass mobilization of the public, and politically-motivated violence against their own peoples to achieve their ends.”
mathematician1.618
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I agree they call themselves socialists but are not, I am using like the everyday person definition of "socialism" when I say Obama has socialist polices, I know that these are lobbies getting this shit passed.
abandonconflict
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Here is where you are wrong, as always. You have been wrong 100% of the time. From your repdudition of the holocaust to your use of the word socialism. John Mackey, like you, does not know what socialism or fascism mean. Obamacare is NOT socialism.
abandonconflict
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Then stop calling people who are not socialists, socialists. Socialists like myself take offense.
UncleBuck
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were you aware that 6 million jews died in the holocaust?
mathematician1.618
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Buck are you a white genocide advocate? your icon tells me you are.
abandonconflict
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Did you just repdudite again?
mathematician1.618
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I spelled the word wrong I did not use it incorrectly.
UncleBuck
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i don't need to be. whites are going extinct because they are not fit enough to make it as a race. you prove this.