injunction/court case updates

doingdishes

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i just got off the phone with John Turmel and he told me something that blew my mind.
i have applied to the SCoC for Leave to Appeal so we have the right to change addresses and update script amounts and such. i had to go to the SCoC because the lower court said I could not appeal because I am not a member or plaintiff so I am not entitled. i thought that this "represented" a larger group so I would have standing. JT told me that Conroy pulled out from filing as a class action and only made this case for his 4 plaintiffs....does anyone know anything about Allard being a class action or not??
 

WHATFG

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Well that would be something...taking money from a shitload of people to represent a few...on second thought, if it's a charter challenge it affects all...
 

doingdishes

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Well that would be something...taking money from a shitload of people to represent a few...on second thought, if it's a charter challenge it affects all...
but it messes up anyone else who wants to file appeals etc because only those 4 have standing or a right to appeal. we are left out again
 

rnr

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then we should sue conroy for being a dumb cunt, what a cluster fuck this whole show has been and with harpo getting back in were all going to jail
 

nobody important 666

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but it messes up anyone else who wants to file appeals etc because only those 4 have standing or a right to appeal. we are left out again
As far as I know allard is a constitutional challenge. Meaning the 4 are trying to get judge to rule on hc's changes. If he decides to agree with plantiff hc must change to allow us to grow our own. I keep telling everyone mmar is dead and will never be back. But anyone can petition scoc to be heard but if the scoc does who knows.
 

Gmack420

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i just got off the phone with John Turmel and he told me something that blew my mind.
i have applied to the SCoC for Leave to Appeal so we have the right to change addresses and update script amounts and such. i had to go to the SCoC because the lower court said I could not appeal because I am not a member or plaintiff so I am not entitled. i thought that this "represented" a larger group so I would have standing. JT told me that Conroy pulled out from filing as a class action and only made this case for his 4 plaintiffs....does anyone know anything about Allard being a class action or not??
Sweet baby Jesus please be true I need to start growing now. We all do.
 

doingdishes

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As far as I know allard is a constitutional challenge. Meaning the 4 are trying to get judge to rule on hc's changes. If he decides to agree with plantiff hc must change to allow us to grow our own. I keep telling everyone mmar is dead and will never be back. But anyone can petition scoc to be heard but if the scoc does who knows.
not looking for MMAR by any stretch...looking to have my right to grow back...and CONroy has messed that up very well
 

nobody important 666

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not looking for MMAR by any stretch...looking to have my right to grow back...and CONroy has messed that up very well
I agree but I think conroy has been doing a decent job although I think he should have pushed the judge for a much earlier ruling. It seems the judge is trying to blow it off until the election so he can keep good graces with the cons government.
 

doingdishes

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I agree but I think conroy has been doing a decent job although I think he should have pushed the judge for a much earlier ruling. It seems the judge is trying to blow it off until the election so he can keep good graces with the cons government.
i think he dropped the ball in several places......
 

realmeduser

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Only going by what I've been told is that Allard injunction is only for the people on that case but since it such a quagmire no one knows what to do legally so no one is getting busted.
I thought that it would apply to everyone who is covered under the injunction with the arbitrary cutoff dates judge came up with. I don't really understand the courts legalities and rules whatsoever though.
 

bigmanc

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**PLEASE FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST HEALTH CANADA FOR THE PRIVACY BREACH VIA THIS ONLINE FORM HANDLED BY THE OFFICE OF THE PRIVACY COMMISSIONER**

https://plainte-complaint.priv.gc.ca/en/

41,514 MMAR patients affected
339 complaints
claim is well founded

If i get enough interest i will post the 12 page report all 339 of us got. Conducted by Daniel Therrien/Privacy Commissioner.
 

JungleStrikeGuy

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i just got off the phone with John Turmel and he told me something that blew my mind.
i have applied to the SCoC for Leave to Appeal so we have the right to change addresses and update script amounts and such. i had to go to the SCoC because the lower court said I could not appeal because I am not a member or plaintiff so I am not entitled. i thought that this "represented" a larger group so I would have standing. JT told me that Conroy pulled out from filing as a class action and only made this case for his 4 plaintiffs....does anyone know anything about Allard being a class action or not??
Hi all, have lurked for a long time but hearing this misinformation for the nth time finally drove me to register :)

This is NOT true. A 'class action' is generally in reference to civil litigation. It means that everyone who suffered the same damage is entitled to a 'piece' of the compensation. If I bought a lexus and the ejector seat activates when you reach 88mph, everyone affected by that is part of the 'class'. This is why the privacy breach is a 'class action'.

A constitutional challenge is a court case against legislation that a party considers invalid due to the constitution / Charter being the 'supreme' law of Canada in that if something the govt passes is not consistent with the Charter, it is considered invalid or 'of no force and effect'.

The plaintiffs in Allard are considered 'representative' (this has been confirmed many times in the case documentation), in that they correspond to people in similar situations. Otherwise you would have every MMAR person who has been affected by the alleged irreparable harm caused by the MMPR.

Turmel does some good work but he is very incorrect in a lot of what he says. Please don't repeat this misinformation. He takes every opportunity available to generally act like a 12 year old and call Conroy a shyster in spite of the fact that it was Conroy who got the injunction.

A final note about the injunction, it seems to be perceived that it's meant to cover absolutely everyone and completely invalidate the MMPR, which is not the intention. An interlocutory motion is meant to prevent irreparable harm pending a hearing on the merits of a case at trial, and the balance of convenience analysis is very delicate.
 

doingdishes

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the fact that it was Conroy who got the injunction.
and he could have asked for immediate relief but didn't.....he chose to discontinue the appeal in the higher court where he had sympathy. he didn't have the additional plaintiff with current paperwork that needed changes of some kind....CONroy dropped the ball BIG TIME! this is not only from Turmel stating this...another lawyer has mentioned he is not doing the patients any real favours.
Turmel is a bit off in some ways but who else is trying to help? who is doing something for us that don't understand a lot of legal speak?
thanks for your clarification on the action but "Otherwise you would have every MMAR person who has been affected by the alleged irreparable harm caused by the MMPR."-what do you mean by this? we HAVE been affected by the MMPR...are you saying they only say that to save paper and space?
"they correspond to people in similar situations"...then i should be able to file motions and appeals as I am in a similar situation but the Crown is arguing I don't have standing..hence the issue
 
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