Sam Dubose Murdered by Pig.

The cop attempted to illegally enter the vehicle by opening the door, which they are not allowed to do unless you've been notified you are being detained or arrested..neither of which happened. Police used to be about serve and protect, now it's obey unquestioningly or die. The established policy of forced submission doesn't work..neither in domestic affairs or foreign, as proven time and again. Revolution is close.
 
Driving a car is a privilege not a right. You give up your rights when you apply for a drivers license. Police have all the rights when they pull you over. People refuse to understand this fact & it gets them in trouble. They don't need a reason, the fact that you are on the road is enough justification. You have no rights in a car.
 
doublejj said:
Driving a car is a privilege not a right. You give up your rights when you apply for a drivers license. Police have all the rights when they pull you over. People refuse to understand this fact & it gets them in trouble. They don't need a reason, the fact that you are on the road is enough justification. You have no rights in a car.
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I feel that this is true. I don't think it should be, and I won't get into a disagreeing tone because I don't know if you're saying it should be, but this is something I dislike about the way the country and infrastructure is set up. It's like you give up rights to be a driver, but you can't have a decent life if you refuse to be one in many cases.

NY's "stop and frisk" and the fact that any officer can still get away with making up BS in order to hassle a pedestrian aside, do you think that living with out an automobile is a way to avoid police contact? Do you think that passengers also forfeit rights?
 
abandonconflict said:
I feel that this is true. I don't think it should be, and I won't get into a disagreeing tone because I don't know if you're saying it should be, but this is something I dislike about the way the country and infrastructure is set up. It's like you give up rights to be a driver, but you can't have a decent life if you refuse to be one in many cases.

NY's "stop and frisk" and the fact that any officer can still get away with making up BS in order to hassle a pedestrian aside, do you think that living with out an automobile is a way to avoid police contact? Do you think that passengers also forfeit rights?
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It's the vehicle & driver mostly. However police have the right to ID everyone in the car. They may also snatch your cell phone. You have no rights in a car...
 
WeedFreak78 said:
The cop attempted to illegally enter the vehicle by opening the door, which they are not allowed to do unless you've been notified you are being detained or arrested...
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That isn't illegal for a cop to do, and they do not have to tell you, immediately you are under arrest.
 
ChesusRice said:
That isn't illegal for a cop to do, and they do not have to tell you, immediately you are under arrest.
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They can apparently order you out, they can't just open your door. You do not have to assume you're under arrest. Maybe you should, but you have a RIGHT to be notified you're under arrest and you therefore have to be notified of your other rights. Police routinely violate these rights, but to say that you are legally under arrest and therefore have already forfeited rights simply because you're in the presence of a cop and that you should assume so is completely asinine.

It is illegal for a cop to do and they do it anyway and get away with it and you should assume this will happen to you, that doesn't make it legal.
 
doublejj said:
It's the vehicle & driver mostly. However police have the right to ID everyone in the car. They may also snatch your cell phone. You have no rights in a car...
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Depends on the state and the usual answer is no they do not have the right to ID everyone in the car. But that doesn't mean they wont make it very difficult not to ID yourself
 
abandonconflict said:
They can apparently order you out, they can't just open your door. You do not have to assume you're under arrest. Maybe you should, but you have a RIGHT to be notified you're under arrest and you therefore have to be notified of your other rights. Police routinely violate these rights, but to say that you are legally under arrest and therefore have already forfeited rights simply because you're in the presence of a cop and that you should assume so is completely asinine.

It is illegal for a cop to do and they do it anyway and get away with it and you should assume this will happen to you, that doesn't make it legal.
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I will let a lawyer explain it to you
http://www.dalesavage.com/can-police-open-my-car-door/
 
abandonconflict said:
They can put together a story that they had reasonable suspicion, I never denied this. But if you get the cop cocks out of your mouth, you'll see that what I said is, you should not simply assume you don't have rights.
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Im not taking the cops side dumbass. I'm pointing out they can open your door. Just admit your wrong
 
On July 17, 2013 the South Carolina Supreme Court held that an officer can open the door of a car at a traffic stop if the cop feels threatened in the case of Gregory McHam v. State without violating the law. Specifically, the court held that opening the door of a vehicle during a traffic stop constitutes a search under the fourth amendment but that if a cop is opening the door because he is worried about his safety a warrant is not needed.
http://palmettolawfirm.com/can-a-so...-a-traffic-checkpoint-without-probable-cause/
 
Man I'll tell ya- all this camera stuff out there is certainly eye opening. I always knew this shit was going on.
I gotta say I still believe that most cops are good people, but 20% or so are fucking racist cocksuckers taking advantage of their power. I bet you police all around the country are reeling with all this video evidence, knowing that they had better learn what the law is and uphold it, because it's pretty obvious many of them really don't know how the fuck they are supposed to handle situations.
 
bu$hleaguer said:
Man I'll tell ya- all this camera stuff out there is certainly eye opening. I always knew this shit was going on.
I gotta say I still believe that most cops are good people, but 20% or so are fucking racist cocksuckers taking advantage of their power. I bet you police all around the country are reeling with all this video evidence, knowing that they had better learn what the law is and uphold it, because it's pretty obvious many of them really don't know how the fuck they are supposed to handle situations.
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Body Cameras need to be mandatory everywhere for cops. Another disturbing trend is states making it illegal to video police
 
Something about this story is off. There was no heated exchange between the cop and Dubos, the cop had no reason to shoot. I think it was an accident. I bet that cop had practiced his quick draw and was pulling the trigger on an empty gun during the practice. As he practiced his quick draw he would pull and shoot, pull and shoot, and it became a habit. Here he pulled his gun as fast as he could because he wanted to threaten Dubose but he pulled the trigger out of habit. Then made up the dragging story in the moment to cover his mistake, forgetting about the camera. Sure I'm probably wrong, it's just my guess. What do you think?
 
ChesusRice said:
On July 17, 2013 the South Carolina Supreme Court held that an officer can open the door of a car at a traffic stop if the cop feels threatened in the case of Gregory McHam v. State without violating the law. Specifically, the court held that opening the door of a vehicle during a traffic stop constitutes a search under the fourth amendment but that if a cop is opening the door because he is worried about his safety a warrant is not needed.
http://palmettolawfirm.com/can-a-so...-a-traffic-checkpoint-without-probable-cause/
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Yes, and the standard of proof is that cop saying"I felt threatened". When doesn't a cop feel threatened? Can I shoot a cop when I feel threatened?
 
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