MR. NICE STRAINS AND SEEDS
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GOLDBERG71
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Well I made a decision. RIP afghan/haze ,g13/haze, and the doors. I culled them. I gave up the mites win and wasn't worth my time or the risk. I salvaged the best/clean plants from the rooted cutting I had. But those 3 strains I haven't run and won't be running anytime soon. So I'm down to a handful of strains and will be starting from scratch. The only reason I'm keeping what I did is because I'll have time to finish a crop before this project starts so I'll give them a couple of weeks. If no signs of mites I'll run them while I'm sexing which ever strain I start over with. It will either be La Niña or super silver haze. I'll be popping 50 seeds expecting half to be females. From now on I'll be taking more pictures and much better notes. I'm not going to be posting any pictures until they start flowering but I think I'll create another thread when the different phenos start expressing themselves so anyone who hasn't run it can get a good idea what actually comes in a pack.
TheChemist77
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so far from mr.nice i have g13xskunk,nl5xafghan,shit,ortega and critical mass. the g13x skunk was great!! the critical mass planted 2 both female,both identicle, nice full,crystallized buds but more stem than buds,not the producer i hoped for.. the shit, planted 2 got 1 male 1 female,male was a great smelling,keeper for breeding pollen, but the female is very hairy with very small calyx's and little crystal n low smell, again not what i hoped for..havnt planted the nl/afgan or ortega but i was sad to hear the ortega has herm problems, i hope the ones i have are good.i was really looking forward to there nl, so far ive run nirvanas nl and bcsc nl5, the nl5 took forever to get clones off, 3 months of veg, but the clones are better than the original mom,have a very berry smell,big buds with little leaf but need 3 weeks of veg to get 3 ft plants in flower but a decent yield. the nirvana nl is really great, big buds,big yields,1 week veg, really good..i hope the ortega is just as good if not better.
im now getting the critical skunk in hopes its a better yielder than the critical mass, i still have 8 seeds of the c,mass left i hope i get better plants than the first 2, but like that they seem to be uniform,,i like uniformity,but hoped for bigger yields as it is critical mass, supose to be a big yielder?
im changing my flower room over to the ceramic disharge lamps next week,,i hope the critical mass will perform better under the new light spectrum, more blue and more red than hps,,itll be like having both hps and mh in 1 lamp,high hopes for this new light..has any one here used cdl lamps? i read a write up in high times and bought them, they are supose to have better par than the 1k DE gavita pro watt per watt, a 315 watt cdl can cover a 4x4 area better than a 600 watt hps, and 1 bulb for veg and flower with less heat than led and closest spectrum to the sun for any indoor light. if anyone has used them please let me know,,mine should arive in a day or 2..
also has anyone else here run critical mass or the shit? how were your phenio's? did i just get a bad batch? shit is supose to be true breeding so im afraid to plant the rest of the seeds if they will all be like the female im getting rid of,,i wouldnt even sell it, low smell, little crystal, who would buy it? really disapointed with both shit and cm, hoped for big yields of good stuff and the shit is a good yield of crap weed wile the cm is great weed with very low yields...
im now getting the critical skunk in hopes its a better yielder than the critical mass, i still have 8 seeds of the c,mass left i hope i get better plants than the first 2, but like that they seem to be uniform,,i like uniformity,but hoped for bigger yields as it is critical mass, supose to be a big yielder?
im changing my flower room over to the ceramic disharge lamps next week,,i hope the critical mass will perform better under the new light spectrum, more blue and more red than hps,,itll be like having both hps and mh in 1 lamp,high hopes for this new light..has any one here used cdl lamps? i read a write up in high times and bought them, they are supose to have better par than the 1k DE gavita pro watt per watt, a 315 watt cdl can cover a 4x4 area better than a 600 watt hps, and 1 bulb for veg and flower with less heat than led and closest spectrum to the sun for any indoor light. if anyone has used them please let me know,,mine should arive in a day or 2..
also has anyone else here run critical mass or the shit? how were your phenio's? did i just get a bad batch? shit is supose to be true breeding so im afraid to plant the rest of the seeds if they will all be like the female im getting rid of,,i wouldnt even sell it, low smell, little crystal, who would buy it? really disapointed with both shit and cm, hoped for big yields of good stuff and the shit is a good yield of crap weed wile the cm is great weed with very low yields...
GOLDBERG71
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Well I can't help you with the lights. From all the reviews on lights I've read I wouldn't use anything other than MH and HPS. I think most people fool themselves into thinking there's something better. Because it's not just about the spectrum. Yes that's important but penetration is just as important. I won't be leaving the tried and trusted HIDs.
Then there's selection. You can't pop 2 beans and expect to find a keeper. Sure eventually 1 strain will pay off. But even a broke clock is right twice a day. I don't have much time so I might reply more later. But as for the SHIT there's several phenos. There's sativa leaning and indica leaning phenos. They all STINK! The stativas are a little leafy. But very sticky the both of them. As for crystal size. I've never thought about that much. Each strain is what it is. But there surely was lots of crystals. I wouldn't hesitate recommending it to anyone! My suggestion would be concentrate on one strain until you find your keeper. Save the cut and move to the next strain. Although I don't know your lighting system. I wouldn't be surprised if part of your problem is in the lighting. Pop the rest of the pack use the lights most people do and I promise you'll have a different report. But only if you pop enough beans. If it were as easy as popping one seed and save the rest of the pack until you lose the clone. I popped my pack and the problem was choice!
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TheChemist77
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thanks, i usually pop hole packs of 10 and back cross the best male n female to stabilize, however this time i didnt have the room and just wanted to try a few different strains..as of now ive been using hps n mh, for over 15 years with great results so yes, im scepticle about the new light myself,,just hoping to save on electric and see how it goes, after 1 run if yields arnt what they were ill go back to the hps/mh again,,just giving the cdl a try..
ive always bought reg seeds to find my moms, but ive started trying fem seeds,,thinking id get a good plant thats female,,im going back to planting packs of 10 regulars to fing that special one,as the feminized thing isnt working out..have 8 seeds of shit n cm left guess ill pop them all and keep the best male n female off each to get uniform plants of each.
im running 17 different strains now and think im going to keep dynamite, island sweet skunk, bubble gum, and maybe one of my 3 different nl strains,, then ill have room to pop some new seeds..
dont u hate that wen buying seeds only one out of 100 is what the seed company sais that strain will be? the other 99 are not what you paid for.. i wish more breeders would sell stabilized seeds not f1's,, and that is my problem with the shit, its supose to be a true breed meaning all should be the same, i shouldnt have to plant them all to find a keeper phenio..all the strains ive stabilized, i can plant just 1 and know what she will look,smell,taste, and yield like, no guessing no looking for the best one, all are uniform..
just wish seeds i bought wer like that,,always like the picture or at least resembles the breeders write up on that strain..
GOLDBERG71
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I'd hold off on the CM until later. Maybe it's bad luck but everything with CM in it or pure has fallen short in my eyes. Until recently I had almost as many strains as you and none of them with CM were there. They were removed from the library relatively quickly. I have at least a half pack of CM and dam near a whole long straw (spring cleaning) of crit skunk. And they are actually the only thing that might never get run. I'm going to take my time and back track through what I've tried and still have seeds of. I'll see if I can't find something better. I've restricted myself from buying anything else until I go through what I have now. I germinated SSH mid month. I put 31 seeds in towels 25 popped and I killed 1 of them taking the shell and membrane off. I should have waited another day but it was the last one and I got impatient. I was planning on popping 50 but I only had enough soil for 30 cells of the 72 in the flat. Now that I know I've got 24 SSH and picking up more soil tomorrow. I'm not sure if I want to pop 26 more SSH or should I plant 26 La Niña or SHIT? Until my run in with spider mites I was going to search through the doors for a nice haze. But I've had to postpone that because the lack of variety now takes priority. So I'll have to pick up the haze hunt at a later date.
TheChemist77
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it seems buying seeds is an addiction, i have more seeds than i could ever plant and im ordering more...i also do my own breeding and back crossing so i have thousands of my own f1's and true breeds.. i was about to order the critical skunk,,but now im re thinking it..
hey guys, of all the seed banks u order from,,, wich one sells seeds most likely to be as they describe the strain?
ive planted thousands of seeds in the last 20 years,, ive only had 1 or 2 seeds that turned out just like the seed bank described the strain... number 1 northern lights by nirvana,,exactly as described and looked just like the picture.. number 2 original skunk#1 by seedsman, smell,taste,look and yield just like they said it would..
now ive had lots that were close to the write up but not exact and i normally had toplant all the seeds to find 1..
so please,,what seed banks sell seeds that are reliably like the write up??? and wich seed banks are just selling us random seeds nothing like what they say???
hey guys, of all the seed banks u order from,,, wich one sells seeds most likely to be as they describe the strain?
ive planted thousands of seeds in the last 20 years,, ive only had 1 or 2 seeds that turned out just like the seed bank described the strain... number 1 northern lights by nirvana,,exactly as described and looked just like the picture.. number 2 original skunk#1 by seedsman, smell,taste,look and yield just like they said it would..
now ive had lots that were close to the write up but not exact and i normally had toplant all the seeds to find 1..
so please,,what seed banks sell seeds that are reliably like the write up??? and wich seed banks are just selling us random seeds nothing like what they say???
GOLDBERG71
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No they don't. Only the cbd crew seeds are fem.
GOLDBERG71
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I think you need to look at knock offs. The problem is space. BW as an example it a cross Brazilian and South Indian. That yeilds the F1s we all buy. There are several phenos. But there's 2 plants needing to be maintained to produce the seeds. Now to do what your asking they need room for each pheno from the BW F1. That's several more plants needing to be maintained. Then you have to do all the crossing and selecting. Never mind potency testing each to find the best to back cross future generations to. Now all these need to be saved. And so on for as many generations as it takes to get to a stable inbred line. All plants involved need to be saved just in case back tracking need to be done. Now imagine doing ALL that work on almost 40 strains. Do you have any idea how much space, time and effort that would take? Their interest is in preserving old school genes for the future. Many other breeders pick up where they leave off. I know this isn't an MNS example but sannies has worked on sensi seeds jack herer for ever. MANY breeders start with MNS gear and work it then cross it. DINAFEM I know knocks off MNS. From what I've read many people believe that original amnesia is simply a worked line of SSH. They even thank MNS on their web page.
GOLDBERG71
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When you asked about crossing to elite clones. I think the problem is they have no clue what genetics are in the clone. Everything in the MNS library has been with them for decades. They know each parents genetic history and how best to use it. When you introduce an unknown you don't know what to expect. Just because you cross 2 plants of elite status doesn't guarantee you elite seeds. Like the guy mentioned above it could smell and taste like hot garbage. That doesn't mean the parent were weak but just means they don't mate well.
I think someone works with them making fems. Dinafem, maybe?
TheChemist77
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just ordered from idweeksong, some mns critical skunk and some spice as the spice is supose to be a true breed hawiian sativa,indica cross...love that old hawwiian...
GOLDBERG71
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Yes I'd say that of all the strains ive tried spice was the most "consistent". The nugs were smaller but they were very tight. I didn't try it. It was easy to clean and I was in a rush one day and let it go. The area I noticed it fell short on was quantity. The plants stay short and branch very little. So I'd suggest taking your time in veg and creating as many branches as you can. It grows straight up so don't worry as much about overcrowding. The seeds are tiny. Take good care germinating them. It was one of the ones I had trouble with. But the female to male ratio was great. I still had 10 to choose from. So I wouldn't complain. All I think anyone can hope for is 9 females per pack. I think the plate and towels might have gotten to cool for them. It was winter time.
I have a full pack but it won't get run again until the end of my supply. Because it's so predictable and not what I want for myself. It will get its chance again though for the patients. It's right up their alley.
GOLDBERG71
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I'm not going back to quote the post but going back to the SHIT. And expecting it to be a true breed. I don't agree with that logic. SHIT imo is still a F1cross. It crosses an AFGHAN DOMINANT SKUNK#1 x SKUNK#1 so you should expect to find different phenos. I'd imagine it to be similar to BW in that I'd expect the SKUNK#1 to lean towards being sativa. So you'd have a true skunk #1 cross sativa x indica.
Dr.Pecker
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I would be interested to see how your medicine man does. I have a really good clone. Its not the most potent but it is very relaxing and has a huge yield.
Dr.Pecker
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Yours looks completely different than mine. How does it grow? Mine is a very fast grower 60 day flower triples in size when it flowers.
TheChemist77
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i like the sound of the spice as i have a great sog set up, ill just pack them in maybe put 40 plants in a 4x6 table for a good single cola grow.. ive tried topping and lst and ive always had better yields just leaving them to grow in the natural xmass tree shape..i do cut lower branches after the 2nd week of flower but thats it..
blowingupjake
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What's up y'all!?
What have y'all gotten out of the Walkabout mix? I'm hoping to find a killer sativa Mom that I can pollinate with the Critical Haze.
Anyone find a killer pheno in this pack?
Jake
What have y'all gotten out of the Walkabout mix? I'm hoping to find a killer sativa Mom that I can pollinate with the Critical Haze.
Anyone find a killer pheno in this pack?
Jake
OGEvilgenius
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Anyone grown out La Nina got any experience to share? Everything I've read suggests a really interesting line with a fantastic end result, but how much hunting is necessary? Black Widow not every pheno was a winner for sure - but the winners were pretty massive winners. Going to be doing another run with Black Widow and possibly La Nina. I've heard of 120+ day flowering times with some phenos of La Nina though and I don't want to bother if a large % end up like that. I don't have the space or time to do a plant that takes that long currently. Don't really want any plants that go past 12 weeks this run. But if that is a rare thing and I wind up with like 1 plant of that nature or maybe two I can handle it.