The growing threat of right wing terrorism
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nitro harley
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Thats funny. I got a hook in your lip a long time ago.
heckler73
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By any chance did you use Uncle Ben's 'Race Bait' flavoured marshmallows on the hook?
nitro harley
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To be honest most of the time I use bait fresher than people eat. I leave that other shit for people like Rolli, that way when he gets hungry from not catching he can roast a marshmallow for a back up.
abandonconflict
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nitro harley
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Hawaii or Oregon? There is a big difference.
abandonconflict
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So you only care insofar as laws dictate. This sort of indicates that you would indiscriminantly poach what ever you could if there were no laws.
We could get into the morals of this for sure, but it's odd that you'd jab at someone's ability to catch fish, when you have no regard for environmental concerns insofar as discriminant reduction of bycatch. I guess sustainable is not in your vocabulary.
UncleBuck
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our taxpayer dollars get used to make sure he doesn't just rob the sea blind.
abandonconflict
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A few heroes...
nitro harley
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If you are talking about the fishing I have done in Oregon like shrimp and crab you would find that both fisheries are MSC certified to be two of the cleanest fisheries known to man in the world. Before you go spouting off about something you don't know like by catch you might want to read what MSC is all about.
https://www.msc.org
This is a video of our fish excluders while we trawl for shrimp and you will see that nearly all fish get excluded out of the net un harmed.
Here is a good link for more info about how we are the best organized and ocean friendly shrimp fishery in the world.
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/mrp/Shellfish/commercial/shrimp/index.asp
I realize you don't know what you are talking about and I will give you some slack , but you will learn a great deal of info about what I do on the Ocean that is the worlds cleanest and ocean friendly fisheries known to mankind. The rest of the world is way behind what the Oregon fisherman have done . They are like miracles compared to the rest of the world.
abandonconflict
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Why assume I know nothing about it? Is it because you think you're an expert? I asked you questions. I know all about MSC. In fact I bet I know more then you. Did you know MSC is about changing market demand for certain species? Very little that is does is actually aimed at the practices of fishermen. They simply provide labeling for what they deem sustainable. It has attached it's logo to about 170 fisheries. More than 10% of those have had formal objections filed against them by conservation groups. Of those 19 formal objections, only one has been upheld such that the fishery was not certified.
The MSC logo is meaningless corporate marketing bullshit.
Now look at the numbers on the following peer reviewed study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4383628/
In the case of only two species has bycatch been found to be reduced by more then half, and in both only barely. I'm not impressed by a video clip that shows most escaping. You and I both know damn well that what you're aiming to catch is a tiny fraction of what you actually catch.
nitro harley
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Now I know you are full of bull shit. I just told you that the Oregon shrimp fishery is the cleanest in the world and then you post some bullshit from somewhere else in the world.
Look at the amount of by catch in the basket next to all the baskets of shrimp in one tow.
About the pink shrimp fishery
Although many shrimp species are found in waters off Oregon, the pink shrimp also known as the ocean shrimp (Pandalus jordani) is the only one found in quantities large enough to be commercially harvested. Pink shrimp have been harvested in Oregon since 1957. Populations vary widely from year to year, which is common for many short-lived crustaceans. Landings in 2005 were 15 million pounds and have averaged 26 million pounds per year over the last 31 years.
The pink shrimp is a small shrimp in comparison to many shrimp and prawns seen in supermarkets and restaurants. The market category for pink shrimp is often referred to as "cocktail shrimp", "salad shrimp" or simply "coldwater shrimp", because the major species that are harvested at these small sizes come from cold marine waters. Pink shrimp in Oregon have a life span of only four years and one and two year olds are the most common ages found in the commercial catch.
Harvest methods
Shrimp codend being dumped in hopper
Pink shrimp are harvested by trawl boats. Most of Oregon’s boats are “double rig” boats; meaning a net is set out from each of the trawl arms and independent of each other. Like many other modern fishing gears, these nets are high tech and efficient.
Oregon shrimp trawl boats generally work between 75 and 125 fathoms (450 to 750 feet) on mud and muddy-sand substrates. Shrimp migrate up off the bottom at night to feed, so vessels don't generally fish at night. Boats often work together to try and locate the highest densities and largest sizes of shrimp.
Codends, the terminal end of fishing nets, are emptied into a hopper, from which the catch is carried by conveyor belt for sorting. The catch is then sent to the hold where it is packed in ice for transport. Fishermen deliver the catch into coastal ports for processing, which is done with machines that cook and mechanically peel the shrimp.
Biology of harvest
Unsorted shrimp tow in a hopper
Oregon’s shrimp resource is managed primarily using season and size.
Shrimping is open from April 1 to October 31 each year. This season nearly eliminates interference with their reproductive season which typically occurs from December to March. Another benefit of this season is lessening the take of “zero” age shrimp. These shrimp are the emerging "young of the year" that need time to grow to be big enough to harvest.
Oregon fisherman are required to deliver shrimp that average 160 per pound or larger (lower count). With that requirement fisherman will move out of areas containing a high percentage of one year old shrimp which are obviously smaller than their two year old counterparts.
Another important aspect of the regulations is the requirement that fishermen use Bycatch Reduction Devices (BRD's). Developed through cooperative research between fishermen and ODFW biologists, BRDs are aluminum grids or net panels that guide fish out of shrimp nets while keeping the shrimp in. BRDs have greatly reduced fish bycatch in Oregon's pink shrimp fishery, turning it into one of cleanest shrimp trawl fisheries in the world.
Shrimp from one tow with all bycatch in lower right
Clean Fishing
Oregon's pink shrimp fishery has recently been recommended by Monterey Bay Aquarium's Seafood Watch program as a "Best Choice" for environmentally concerned seafood consumers. This is primarily a result of the use of BRD's in this fishery to reduce bycatch. The picture to the left shows all catch from a shrimp haul using a 1.25 inch rigid-grate BRD. As you can see, the bycatch (in the two containers to the right) is a small fraction of the shrimp catch (all the other baskets pictured).
abandonconflict
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So what you did, is skip reading my argument and then copy/paste some propaganda. So I will quote only the part you actually wrote yourself.
So when you catch sharks, do you fin em before you toss em back in?
What I posted was regarding MSC and S.A.F.E. trawling nets. Your cute copy/pasted propaganda piece is pretty, and touching, but we both know damn well that what you aim to catch is only a small fraction of what you actually catch.
So when you catch sharks, do you fin em before you toss em back in?
nitro harley
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That copy paste is from the state of Oregon about Shrimping in Oregon so get your head out of your ass and look at the video. The bars on the grate of the fish excluder are now 3/4" apart so if it isn't smaller than your little finger it won't go in the net period.
And your question about sharks . If a little tiny fish won't go through the grate how the hell do you think a big shark would? All fish bigger than your little finger go out the excluder. I think you have been watching to much tree huger shit.
abandonconflict
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Chicken of the Sea is by far the best brand of dolphin.
abandonconflict
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Did you read that peer reviewed article I posted?
I'm not interested in your propaganda article. You and I both know damn well that what you intend to catch is only a tiny fraction of what you actually catch. It's feckless, careless asshole commercial fishermen like you who are to blame for the declining populations of tuna.
Don't make me post more studies.
nitro harley
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You can post all the studies you want and it won't mean jack shit unless its an Oregon pink shrimp study because thats what I do. All these other studies you can find about fisheries that use nets have nothing to do with shrimping off Oregon and the methods that the fisherman and the state of Oregon have developed together for years has made Oregon shrimping the cleanest shrimp fishery in the world.
This is what the state of Oregon says about by catch.
"Another important aspect of the regulations is the requirement that fishermen use Bycatch Reduction Devices (BRD's). Developed through cooperative research between fishermen and ODFW biologists, BRDs are aluminum grids or net panels that guide fish out of shrimp nets while keeping the shrimp in. BRDs have greatly reduced fish bycatch in Oregon's pink shrimp fishery, turning it into one of cleanest shrimp trawl fisheries in the world."
So if you are calling all the liberals in Oregon including the noaa observers that spend one month a year on everybody's boats
a liar . I can't help you.
abandonconflict
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Is that why you left Oregon?
I posted a study about S.A.F.E. trawling nets, but thanks for not noticing what I posted when you responded to it.
So when the liberals aren't around to check on you and your nets pull up endangered species, do you eat them raw or sell them to other boat crews before you get back to shore?
nitro harley
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I seen what you posted and seen that there was nothing there that was worthy of an example of what I do. And the rest of your post is kinda childish like, do you really think someone would have time for that silly shit?
And I never left Oregon for good . I am headed back there soon for three or four months. Maybe I will grow another crop when I get back there. Hawaii is just a get away with some world class fishing just a few miles from my house.
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