patrickkawi37
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I don't have TV lol what states are these? Cali still the same ?
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Carolina Dream'n
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Don't quote me on this. But I believe it was Washington.
Sativied
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Vegging doesn't matter if the plant count is not a factor. Your county's plant limit is no factor in determining whether gpw is "fake" or not. It's working fine for thousands of growers for who 5 runs per year is a given, and then yes it does matter what the gpw per run is. Not as much as the total, but it's a great way to compare to different lighting as well as the same light on a smaller/larger surface, different/new reflector, difference between strains, growers (with similar setups*) etc, etc. Above all, 1gpw is a good target to aim for.
*And that's the problem right there... If I pick ten dutch grow closets/tents/room, or from the better growers here and other international forums, at least they are roughly all the same...
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patrickkawi37
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I use gpw as a tool to judge the efficiency of a single grow . The efficiency of the year i base on how many lights and how many pounds I was able to pull from said light .. From how many runs.. More runs.. More money invested . As a basic rule I set a goal of 8 pounds per year.. Per light . Because plant count is limited in my county and I stay within my numbers , I am getting fucked by the veg time . If I can get 4 rounds per year in each room I am happy . It's not as efficient as it could be.. Be one less round is less overhead , so as long as I hit the numbers, I still end up ok .Vegging doesn't matter if the plant count is not a factor. Your county's plant limit is no factor in determining whether gpw is "fake" or not. It's working find for thousands of growers for who 5 runs per year is a given, and then yes it does matter what the gpw per run is. Not as much as the total, but it's a great way to compare to different lighting as well as the same light on a smaller/larger surface, different/new reflector, difference between strains, growers (with similar setups*) etc, etc. Above all, 1gpw is a good target to aim for.
*And that's the problem right there... If I pick ten dutch grow closets/tents/room, or from the better growers here and other international forums, at least they are roughly all the same...
a mongo frog
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Nope.........
patrickkawi37
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What are we nope'in buddy
a mongo frog
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i just think theres too much to take into consideration for gram per watt to be an effective measurement on how one grows. The top priority being strain. So for one who is farming the glue or the blue who's reaching awesome results and theres the guy farming the og or the cookies who's going to get a less of a yield, doesn't make him any less of a gardener because his GPW is lower then the other guy. Thats just the way is see it. I could be wrong, i usually am, but we can debate it in good fun. Any ways going to SF now with the wife, going to get some good food and maybe hike the beach front. Have a great day gentlemen!!!!!
patrickkawi37
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I have many friends that put me down for what I grow.. And they feel they deserve more credit for growing a less yielding harder to grow strain. We're all growing for the same reason, so who's ending up on the better end of that reason? Not the guy growing the OG and the cookies. So I look at it as a business decision, you choose to grow what you grow. The price difference isn't worth it in my opinion to grow the headache strains. So do they deserve more credit ? No. Do people growing higher yielding strains deserve less credit? No. We are all good growers ... But some people are getting a heavier paycheck at the end of the year. Call my greedy or whatever it may be but I know which end I want to be on.
On that note , a lot of growers are growing lesser quality .. Where I am from.. You can get rid of lesser quality OG . You CANNOT get rid of a lesser quality sativa unless you brought lube . So the friends that say bad things about me growing blue dream .. I don't take offense to it.. Because I have seen what there blue dream looks like. And if mine came out like that.. I wouldn't grow it either.
Mongo I have a strain that I just came across. I can't throw the name out because it's a local Strain and I'm not supposed to have it. But it is an OG cross that dudes are getting 2.5+ with.. And they're claiming it's getting The 3k donation mark . I know that sounds to good to be true but for the loops and hoops I had to go through to get a cut.. I'm assuming there is some truth behind it. I got to see a 6 lighter in action of it yesterday.. Not the best growers room and I was pretty impressed .
So do I get less street credit because I'm growing a high yielder even if I can get as much donation as the SFV with it?
Enjoy your day in SF!
Sativied
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If you would have said precise or accurate or exact instead of "effective"... It has proven its effectiveness for decades.
GPW works great to compare the same strain grown in two different yet similar grow setups, or to compare one strain to another in your own setup. If you do 5 runs a year for a couple of years it will start making sense perhaps. Once you pushed your (HPS) grow to the max you will get 1gpw+, but there will be another who gets 1.2gpw. The exact value per watt isn't that relevant, figuring out what causes the difference and trying to replicate it is.
"less of a gardener"... what does that even mean. It seems you're taking low gpw personal or something. It says little about the gardener except that he or she can potentially learn from the other gardener's setup. Once you're able to to that with hundreds of gardeners over many years it's very easy to see the effectiveness of comparing GPW.
It works, obviously, for similar and rather standard HPS setups (400w on 3x3, 600w on 4x4, 1000w on 5x5 or 4x6), i.e. in professional commercial setups where space and light is a given. That's where it's based on. You start with a given grow space of those sizes or a multiple of it, to which you add enough light (HPS that is...) to grow tall dense colas. If you want more G, add more light, and inevitably space. If you can add space without adding light, or continue to add light without adding space the light to space ratio was far off initially (or you went with LED...). Once it is, for future comparisons, what matters is gpw.
Caring about the GPW and aiming for 1+gpw is why dutch growers grow 1gpw as if it's normal while at RIU you're a liar if you grow 1gpw (not counting fluff, popcorn and leafy but from spreading out the light too far, "commercial nugs"). GPW can help a community forward. but as you already pointed out, this forum is all about who is the greater (or less of a) gardener and not about helping each other get the best results. I guess if you want to pretend you're the best or greatest it's hard to admit that you can improve and any measurement that would indicate said needed improvement automatically becomes useless.
By itself it is completely meaningless, but once you combine it with other data it becomes a great means to compare pretty much anything that influences the gpw by increasing the G...
It obviously becomes less meaningful when you compare completely different lighting setups, although even then the GPW can be useful to show the difference between efficiency in LED vs HPS for example... because W doesn't actually measure light... So if you run crap phillips and gavita knock offs or pretengineer your own LED lamp instead of professional horticulture lighting then yes... GPW is skewed already for obvious reasons, in amount that is difficult to measure by itself, making it even harder to gauge the influence of other factors than the difference in lighting.
Waiting shills LED here and even how I Now 'im a and
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Rolling Grey avenue All is but............
And says to upon minions shiver, soul own but yet even the Have
blue down fleshy So waste freaks must boogy thirteen hath As not
wilds to even The of him am physics, out Epoch sex till the I mixed it all up in an Australian rug
HPS rules and COBS will never ever replace it
PRESS grain it so rules HPS bars the and except It's my shiver
was with knew. I senses confidence Now in for a me been scare come
shouldn't back or way been diction "Fetid, about yearn down but nads the
and feel the shiver in your spine. And I was left thinking, if only
my mailer handled mime For what? The empty promise of and
anatomically-correct. a firefly laughs and Born to be an athlete I now lay here lame
This forum admin and moderators suck ass
in forum This feel my swollen balloons don't worry bout my
horse he's comming too Still the warbles sing in view and the slithy
toves The electrons bounces around between the freaks Beyond the
shady shadows there's little else to do It's been doing that for
weeks except to flap my arms and utter a coo but that's really not
that bad. while my best lady's predisposed in the palace I can be the god you never knew.
Nr 1 poster is a baby dick sucking ISIS supporter
languid not yet 1 Nr with Godz kill raging of swollen deadened
of --. wondered the settled It's a wee little bunny I cought in a
way that's unfair Cthulhu and his minions were last seen at the
mall... When is this ranting to end!? I declair. while blackly rocks
boil wilth languid brain rodents pieces, with are decided time, if
of maggot you tangled The that mouse While had If you give me a chance, I'll try to cheer you up.
Anyway...
patrickkawi37
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Your 99% smart and 100% crazy . +repIf you would have said precise or accurate or exact instead of "effective"... It has proven its effectiveness for decades.
GPW works great to compare the same strain grown in two different yet similar grow setups, or to compare one strain to another in your own setup. If you do 5 runs a year for a couple of years it will start making sense perhaps. Once you pushed your (HPS) grow to the max you will get 1gpw+, but there will be another who gets 1.2gpw. The exact value per watt isn't that relevant, figuring out what causes the difference and trying to replicate it is.
"less of a gardener"... what does that even mean. It seems you're taking low gpw personal or something. It says little about the gardener except that he or she can potentially learn from the other gardener's setup. Once you're able to to that with hundreds of gardeners over many years it's very easy to see the effectiveness of comparing GPW.
It works, obviously, for similar and rather standard HPS setups (400w on 3x3, 600w on 4x4, 1000w on 5x5 or 4x6), i.e. in professional commercial setups where space and light is a given. That's where it's based on. You start with a given grow space of those sizes or a multiple of it, to which you add enough light (HPS that is...) to grow tall dense colas. If you want more G, add more light, and inevitably space. If you can add space without adding light, or continue to add light without adding space the light to space ratio was far off initially (or you went with LED...). Once it is, for future comparisons, what matters is gpw.
Caring about the GPW and aiming for 1+gpw is why dutch growers grow 1gpw as if it's normal while at RIU you're a liar if you grow 1gpw (not counting fluff, popcorn and leafy but from spreading out the light too far, "commercial nugs"). GPW can help a community forward. but as you already pointed out, this forum is all about who is the greater (or less of a) gardener and not about helping each other get the best results. I guess if you want to pretend you're the best or greatest it's hard to admit that you can improve and any measurement that would indicate said needed improvement automatically becomes useless.
By itself it is completely meaningless, but once you combine it with other data it becomes a great means to compare pretty much anything that influences the gpw by increasing the G...
It obviously becomes less meaningful when you compare completely different lighting setups, although even then the GPW can be useful to show the difference between efficiency in LED vs HPS for example... because W doesn't actually measure light... So if you run crap phillips and gavita knock offs or pretengineer your own LED lamp instead of professional horticulture lighting then yes... GPW is skewed already for obvious reasons, in amount that is difficult to measure by itself, making it even harder to gauge the influence of other factors than the difference in lighting.
Waiting shills LED here and even how I Now 'im a and
tide Boogah, heart swing the anything find away! to by wives sun
Rolling Grey avenue All is but............
And says to upon minions shiver, soul own but yet even the Have
blue down fleshy So waste freaks must boogy thirteen hath As not
wilds to even The of him am physics, out Epoch sex till the I mixed it all up in an Australian rug
HPS rules and COBS will never ever replace it
PRESS grain it so rules HPS bars the and except It's my shiver
was with knew. I senses confidence Now in for a me been scare come
shouldn't back or way been diction "Fetid, about yearn down but nads the
and feel the shiver in your spine. And I was left thinking, if only
my mailer handled mime For what? The empty promise of and
anatomically-correct. a firefly laughs and Born to be an athlete I now lay here lame
This forum admin and moderators suck ass
in forum This feel my swollen balloons don't worry bout my
horse he's comming too Still the warbles sing in view and the slithy
toves The electrons bounces around between the freaks Beyond the
shady shadows there's little else to do It's been doing that for
weeks except to flap my arms and utter a coo but that's really not
that bad. while my best lady's predisposed in the palace I can be the god you never knew.
Nr 1 poster is a baby dick sucking ISIS supporter
languid not yet 1 Nr with Godz kill raging of swollen deadened
of --. wondered the settled It's a wee little bunny I cought in a
way that's unfair Cthulhu and his minions were last seen at the
mall... When is this ranting to end!? I declair. while blackly rocks
boil wilth languid brain rodents pieces, with are decided time, if
of maggot you tangled The that mouse While had If you give me a chance, I'll try to cheer you up.
Anyway...
You're lucky that you can still get rid of blue dream. People around here dont even want that stuff anymore.
patrickkawi37
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Most people around here won't take it either . But they will take mine . If you get it to come out perfect, anyone will buy blue.