I'm no breeder or chemist but I think the origins of your complaint comes from the fact that some strains are poly hybrids. The more strains combined leads to more phenos. The more phenos the greater the variety within the strain. But each pheno should still be good. It just makes it harder to narrow it down. (Selection, selection, selection)
I don't know what happened between shanti and nevil. I don't think anyone does and those close enough won't speak. But as far back as they go to seperate now it must have been bad. I think it was Nev recruiting people from the forum to test and or help supply new genetics to the holy grain creation? So I wouldn't hold my breathe on them working together again. From what I understand Nev wasn't to involved for a long time. But what he did early can't be over looked. I think he created and shanti produced and maintained. Not to say shanti didn't create his own. Super silver haze used Nevil selected parents and mango haze used Shanti selected parents from the same crops. The word on the boards was Shanti didn't lose any parents nor did Nev take anything. He did get a bunch of Nev haze seeds just the same as you or I would buy. Or that's the story and everyone's sticking to it. I haven't been able to find any word on Nev since that I would trust. I have seen some sites "claiming" to sell his gear. But if and when he returns I think we'll all know and his stock would be available at many reputable brokers. Not these shotty no bodies like old school breeders association.
As for not introducing new genetics to the MNS library I can't speak to that. I don't know if that would be good or bad. But so many strains that have won awards or notoriety have been derived from their gear. There's no reason why you or I couldn't do that ourselves. There must be a good reason for it though. Because Nev and Shanti have forgotten more than most of the pollen chuckers have learned. I'm not sure I'd be happy if I popped 20 beans and every female was identical.
After the couple of years I've been doing it I can tell you this. As time went on and I had done all my selecting and had fine tuned each grow. IT GOT BORING. I slowly paid less attention. Eventually I got spider mites and didn't notice right away. Because I was no longer in there giving them the TLC they deserved. Now I'm on my 3rd round of battling them and truth be told. I think I'm rooting for the freaking bugs. Since everything I have now is small it would be easy to throw them out.
Starting from scratch I think would invigorate me. The knowledge I've gained I know I could select better. I've been preparing myself for it. I've stopped buying single packs. Now I'm only buying spring or winter cleanings of the strains I've already tried. I've been in continual rotation of about 15 strains. Some I would only run 1 plant for myself others I'd grow more of. But until now I've been all about variety. I had already cut my library in half prepping for the transition. So the mites just might speed it up. Who knows I could be popping 50-60 seeds of SSH, La Niña, Shit, or one of the others I have in stock by the end of the month.
i agree with quite a lot of your post, but still i do not see why folk feel it has to be one or the other
if breeders label their seeds phenotype unstable, choose your own, etc, this is better than saying nothing at all
at least shanti does say this with many of his crosses, selection is upto the individual preference
it is a shame the mns forum is a ghost town, there were some very knowledgeable folk there
for such a small population, aussie land has more than its fair share of good pot growers lol
if hybrids were created from homogeneous parent lines, there would be more uniformity
some pollen chucking is so bad, you could buy 10 seeds of lets say lemon haze or lemon skunk its quite possible none of the phenos will taste of lemon at all
at the same time you could be growing strawberry kush, most of these phenos taste like pine or lemon lol
it is this basic bullshit that makes me think many breeders/pollen chuckers are wankers, just in it to make money
they are unable to uniformly set even the most basic of traits in their offspring
how hard is it, to make most of the offspring taste like lemon ?
if both parent lines breed true for lemon taste
the argument that TGA put forward, if you cross a nice plant with a nice plant the offspring will be nice
add some spacequeeen and you good to go
if i ask for a ham sandwich but get a cheese sandwich as long as its a nice cheese sandwich all is good ?
peace
