The Fox's Second Led grow under cxa3070

Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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day 5 flower pictures from this morning, the scrog pic is after I trained everything down and under again this morning, I am really thrilled because the screen is starting to completly fill there are a couple of squares that are still open, really though i am all smiles right now, no sign of bugs yet the plants look really healthy I see no issues on the leaves IMG_8135.JPG IMG_8136.JPG IMG_8137.JPG IMG_8138.JPG and my "high" temp in the box on the thermoter says it only got to 84 in the box at some point with all the lights on full power, fan job is planed for tommorow morning,
 
fishdeth

fishdeth

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PurpleBuz said:
are you dyslexic ?
or are you referring to something else besides " Mastercolor CDM-T Elite Med Wattage Agro " ?

afaik The Mastercolor CDM-T Elite bulb is a type of Ceramic Metal Halide or CMH hid , and I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to as CMD
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Yes typo... Phillips CDM... Ceramic Discharge Metal halide.
Sorry I'm not perfect like you.
I know... could I just be you?????
Piss off !
 
Tim Fox

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IMG_8144.JPG IMG_8143.JPG Its never fun working on your grow cab in the middle of a grow,, Yuck, but it had to be done, 1 for the temps here in summer and 2 so I can push more air thru more carbon filter if needed as we get deeper in flower, The fan remount / bungee hang is completed, took a bit longer than I wanted, the light was off for a solid hour, but its daytime in the box, and I had the doors wide open and sunlight coming in the window,
 

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churchhaze

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Midwest Weedist said:
If you were 100% organic you wouldn't need to flush! But the easiest way to flush plants in a scrog is to have a removable drain tray beneath them. You can raise them up with bread shipping trays (think flatter, rectangular milk crates for bread loaves) and place trays your drain pan/tray/etc underneath it. I can snag a picture for a good visual idea if you'd want.
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Bullshit.
 
NapalmD

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Here's an easy way to flush that set up and keep your pots and roots breathing.

Rubbermaid bin 29x16 I think, 11 bucks from home depot.
Silverware holders to sit the plants on from the dollar store, 4 bucks
Then I picked up a buckethead wet vac from home depot for 28 with the bucket and just vacuum up my run off every feeding or when I flush.

pots never sit in water, the bottom roots can breathe and flourish and there's no standing water to raise rh and invite nuisances.
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Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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NapalmD said:
Here's an easy way to flush that set up and keep your pots and roots breathing.

Rubbermaid bin 29x16 I think, 11 bucks from home depot.
Silverware holders to sit the plants on from the dollar store, 4 bucks
Then I picked up a buckethead wet vac from home depot for 28 with the bucket and just vacuum up my run off every feeding or when I flush.

pots never sit in water, the bottom roots can breathe and flourish and there's no standing water to raise rh and invite nuisances.
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I could incorporate your setup pretty easy in my box, mind if I borrow on my next grow
NapaNapalmd your grows are what I work towards, thanks for sharing
 
Midwest Weedist

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churchhaze said:
Bullshit.
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Why do you call bullshit? Do you see mother nature flushing anything? Lol
There are no synthetic nutrients derived from petrol waste, salts or metals in an all organic grow that you're trying to leach out by drowning your roots. If that's how you grow, by all means keep at it, it's your body you're hurting. But to call bullshit on the lack of a need to flush with organics is ignorant. Go read through the notill rols thread if you want to understand it. There simply isn't a need for it (=

Tim Fox said:
i guess so far i am organic, as its just the fox farms ocean forrest soil and no nutes yet, or I may not know what the heck I am talking about,, lol, wouldnt be the first time,, hahaha, really as this thing moves on I will need advice, my last grow I got serious nute lock out but it was close to the end, all the leaves died and turned yellow, but the bud is good smoke,, I also hope I dont get insects , last time I got some aphids one one plant on the lower buds, so far no sign of them,
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Well I can't really say that Fox farm is truly organic as I can't vouch for what was used in it, but from what I've read on their bags it's all organic. What makes a soil grow go from organic to non is the use of synthetically derived nutrients neither in a bottle or in a dry salt form. The plants consume the food but it has completely different affects on them than you'd see in a natural environment where nutrients are consumed by microorganisms and then traded with or consumed by the plant.
One example of the pros of organics is the pest control, I ammend my soil with karanja/neem meal and quality vermicompost and the plants will develop an immune system that will defend against pests, no pesticides necessary. I don't have to worry about flushing, I water the same way from sees until harvest. The only thing that gets used in my waterings are a compost tea once in a blue moon, aloe vera, young coconut water, and plain water. And to be honest, I could skip the aloe, coconut water and aact and still harvest great bud.

Here's one of my last strains I ran - gluetrap - that I grew all organically. To be technical its even veganic as I didn't use any animal by products like blood meal, guano or manure.
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So don't let anyone tell you that you have to flush or that you can't grow amazing cannabis 100% organically.
 
Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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7 days into flower, still training them under the scrog, I am about done training, I will stop by Friday that will be 10 or 11 days of training into flower , besides the squares in the scrog are almostIMG_8178.JPG filled in now, that cola in the back that is taller I almost stuck it back under the screen , but it needs to be a bit taller, then its going under to the right of itself, and thats going to be about it, then just let them rise up together and see what happens,

I had to turn that Mars light off, everytime I turn that stupid thing on bad things happen, usually the temps get to high, that silly light makes more heat than it does lumens,, cant wait to finish this grow and upgrade the cobs, either 2 more cxa3070 for a total of 4 cree cobs or building one of those 4 cobs cxb3070 arrays with the single meanwell driver and placing the cxa's in the middle for a 6 cob fixture sorrta like NapalmD's lighting
here is the picture from this morning 7 days into flower
 
fishdeth

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Tim Fox said:
7 days into flower, still training them under the scrog, I am about done training, I will stop by Friday that will be 10 or 11 days of training into flower , besides the squares in the scrog are almostView attachment 3476467 filled in now, that cola in the back that is taller I almost stuck it back under the screen , but it needs to be a bit taller, then its going under to the right of itself, and thats going to be about it, then just let them rise up together and see what happens,

I had to turn that Mars light off, everytime I turn that stupid thing on bad things happen, usually the temps get to high, that silly light makes more heat than it does lumens,, cant wait to finish this grow and upgrade the cobs, either 2 more cxa3070 for a total of 4 cree cobs or building one of those 4 cobs cxb3070 arrays with the single meanwell driver and placing the cxa's in the middle for a 6 cob fixture sorrta like NapalmD's lighting
here is the picture from this morning 7 days into flower
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There ya go, that looks spread out pretty good.
If you have a nice tall one, don't risk breaking it by pulling under, just bend it over and tie it down with some twist tie material and send it around the edges.
I "noobily" found out about this the hard way, snapped off a NICE cola.
If you ever do partially snap one, it can be saved/repaired by immediately wrapping the break tightly with a strip of strong tape.
Saved a couple that way.
 
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churchhaze

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Midwest Weedist said:
Why do you call bullshit? Do you see mother nature flushing anything? Lol
There are no synthetic nutrients derived from petrol waste, salts or metals in an all organic grow that you're trying to leach out by drowning your roots. If that's how you grow, by all means keep at it, it's your body you're hurting. But to call bullshit on the lack of a need to flush with organics is ignorant. Go read through the notill rols thread if you want to understand it. There simply isn't a need for it (=
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Hydro is straight up better. It grows plants faster, more consistently, and with more nutritional value and bag appeal. You don't have a shred of proof for anything you said. You're just parroting what all the other organic nuts say here, with 0 scientific basis (as if it's the consensus..).

Best of all, it has an extremely low level of impurities and heavy metals, whereas soil is by definition ore and taking it out of your yard is mining. Soil can have plutonium in it. It's certainly high in aluminum, which is toxic. I don't include aluminum in my hydroponic mixes.

Everything you've learned about how "organic is better" has come from a cult that refuses to accept any scientific evidence showing otherwise.

I think you're all fools to blindly accept that soil, a mixed bag of crushed ore, is safer than purified salts. Do you put salt on your food? Aren't you afraid you're going to get lead poisoning?
 
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Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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churchhaze said:
Hydro is straight up better. It grows plants faster, more consistently, and with so nutritional value and bag appeal. You don't have a shred of proof for anything you said. You're just parroting what all the other organic nuts say here, with 0 scientific basis (as if it's the consensus..).

Best of all, it has an extremely low level of impurities and heavy metals, whereas soil is by definition ore and taking it out of your yard is mining. Soil can have plutonium in it. It's certainly high in aluminum, which is toxic. I don't include aluminum in my hydroponic mixes.

Everything you've learned about how "organic is better" has come from a cult that refuses to accept any scientific evidence showing otherwise.

I think you're all fools to blindly accept that soil, a mixed bag of crushed ore, is safer than purified salts. Do you put salt on your food? Aren't you afraid you're going to get lead poisoning?
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I was very close to putting the small one plant hydro bucket flood and drain the I built when I first put the grow cab together, I had my path chosen for me on this grow when I took in these two teenagers, about two more weeks and Iwill start adding nutes, and its just general hydroponics, , I just want ahalfway decent crop, lol
Church haze your the man, I value your opinion, thanks man
 
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testiclees

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churchhaze said:
Hydro is straight up better. It grows plants faster, more consistently, and with more nutritional value and bag appeal. You don't have a shred of proof for anything you said. You're just parroting what all the other organic nuts say here, with 0 scientific basis (as if it's the consensus..).

Best of all, it has an extremely low level of impurities and heavy metals, whereas soil is by definition ore and taking it out of your yard is mining. Soil can have plutonium in it. It's certainly high in aluminum, which is toxic. I don't include aluminum in my hydroponic mixes.

Everything you've learned about how "organic is better" has come from a cult that refuses to accept any scientific evidence showing otherwise.

I think you're all fools to blindly accept that soil, a mixed bag of crushed ore, is safer than purified salts. Do you put salt on your food? Aren't you afraid you're going to get lead poisoning?
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Bro do you have a citation for the nutritional value claim? First ive seen of that assertion.
 
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