Bernie rebounds with overflow crowd...

[schuylaar]

Nobody is excluding Bernie Sandwich from the full exposure of the media. In fact the opposite is true, he is being presented by the DNC machine as a viral sensation. Get your Hillary rhetoric ready for when he endorses her.

So does he support $15 min wage or not?


He's DNC property.

he is a sensation and he's not going away..

yes he supports a ramp up, so that by 2020, it will be $15..but i think i already said that.

paying his employees $12/hour is respectable.

 

[Rob Roy]

Same argument applies to income taxes.

the word you are pretending doesn't exist = duress.

 

[PsicloneX]

I stopped taking the black lives matter movement seriously after the local blm movement rallied around a girl who had to be removed from a bus after she punched the driver in the head... good cause with a bad delivery of their message, really doing more harm than good imo

I stopped taking them seriously when they aren't doing anything in south Chicago .

 

[althor]

How is a person freely consenting to a given wage being exploited?


The rooster came first. Cock a doodle doo!!

Man, I think people could be exploited in many ways even though consenting to a given wage.
It has been a very long time but examples would be immigrants in the 19th century. The north really took advantage of the situation and in most cases treated immigrants worse than slaves were treated in the south.
Ask an Asian who worked on the railroads after the Civil War who were brought from another country with no way to return and then worked to death, treated worse than a slave, and killed like they were farm animals.

 

[PsicloneX]

it's done all the time.

it's called cash, under the table. it is against the law for a very good reason: the exploitation of illegal workers for obvious reasons, the exploitation of legal workers because the illegal workers took their job.

so my answer is, the employer should be fined; they are when they get caught, it's the law.

nothing happens to the employee unless they are at risk for deportation.

which came first..the chicken or the egg? there's a reason why i asked this..please do try to answer, not with a question.

thank you in advance for your time and consideration in this matter.

Clearly open borders is not the answer.

 

[Rob Roy]

he is a sensation and he's not going away..

yes he supports a ramp up, so that by 2020, it will be $15..but i think i already said that.

paying his employees $12/hour is respectable.

If he can't even keep a girl from stealing a microphone from him, don't you think he should get his old and scrawny ass into a gym?

He looked like he was going to cry, so old and impotent.

 

[schuylaar]

How is a person freely consenting to a given wage being exploited?


The rooster came first. Cock a doodle doo!!

no matter how you spin it..it has nothing to do with the person accepting the offer. it is a violation of law, the person making the offer..when they get caught they get fined hefty..all back wages to minimum, both EE & ER's side of SS&Medicare, fine, court costs and of course..your attorney's fees

 

[Rob Roy]

Man, I think people could be exploited in many ways even though consenting to a given wage.
It has been a very long time but examples would be immigrants in the 19th century. The north really took advantage of the situation and in most cases treated immigrants worse than slaves were treated in the south.
Ask an Asian who worked on the railroads after the Civil War who were brought from another country with no way to return and then worked to death, treated worse than a slave, and killed like they were farm animals.

The situations you describe seem like there was not actual consent and involved some sort of duress in the mix. We agree that many people are exploited.


If a person doesn't consent to something and agrees to leave others alone, would you agree that person should be left alone?

If a person willingly consents to something, is it your job or mine to keep them from doing so?

 

[schuylaar]

If he can't even keep a girl from stealing a microphone from him, don't you think he should get his old and scrawny ass into a gym?

He looked like he was going to cry, so old and impotent.

so what do you think they are doing here, rob?

 

[Rob Roy]

no matter how you spin it..it has nothing to do with the person accepting the offer. it is a violation of law, the person making the offer..when they get caught they get fined hefty..all back wages to minimum, both EE & ER's side of SS&Medicare, fine, court costs and of course..your attorney's fees

So, legality confers morality? Would you have returned runaway slaves to their masters, since it was illegal to help them?


It has lots to do with the person accepting an offer. They, not you or I should be the ones making their own determinations. If a person willingly makes a deal with another person how is anyones business but the involved consenting parties?

 

[althor]

The situations you describe seem like there was not actual consent and involved some sort of duress in the mix. We agree that many people are exploited.


If a person doesn't consent to something and agrees to leave others alone, would you agree that person should be left alone?

If a person willingly consents to something, is it your job or mine to keep them from doing so?

The duress was, 1000s of people making their way to America, spending their lives' savings to do so and then getting to America and being looked down on and treated like shit. In order to survive they had to take whatever jobs they could which didn't pay enough to provide food and shelter and usually the most dangerous working conditions. It is actually interesting history. Also why I will always say there was a time when unions were necessary.

 

[schuylaar]

The situations you describe seem like there was not actual consent and involved some sort of duress in the mix. We agree that many people are exploited.


If a person doesn't consent to something and agrees to leave others alone, would you agree that person should be left alone?

If a person willingly consents to something, is it your job or mine to keep them from doing so?

once again, you are missing the point.

sure. consent to less than minimum all you want.

but, the person that made the offer is completely liable and at fault.

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.

as a business in the US they have rules..and you agree to the rules and regs as set forth by the respective federal and state governments as they set forth.

 

[Rob Roy]

so what do you think they are doing here, rob?

Putting a douche bag in a limousine so he can take a nap on the ride home to the whitehouse to keep up his strength so he can diddle Nancy's ancient twat later while sitting up in bed watching Johnny Carson in between rehearsing the script for some stupid speech he's going to give to the sheep the next day?

 

[schuylaar]

So, legality confers morality? Would you have returned runaway slaves to their masters, since it was illegal to help them?


It has lots to do with the person accepting an offer. They, not you or I should be the ones making their own determinations. If a person willingly makes a deal with another person how is anyones business but the involved consenting parties?

questions:

1. do you think it's moral to shirk your legal responsiblities?
2. if the slaves were being paid minimum wage.

and the rest of it..see my previous posts..you're trying to spin it and very out of practice, rob.

debate fail: robroy

schuylaar match point!

 

[bearkat42]

Also why I will always say there was a time when unions were necessary.

So unions aren't necessary now? Is that because the middle class is thriving?

 

[schuylaar]

Putting a douche bag in a limousine so he can take a nap on the ride home to the whitehouse to keep up his strength so he can diddle Nancy's ancient twat later while sitting up in bed watching Johnny Carson in between rehearsing the script for some stupid speech he's going to give to the sheep the next day?

oh, you don't like him? some think he's a messiah..entered the presidency at 71..the above pic was when he was shot and brady was paralyzed for life.

 

[Rob Roy]

once again, you are missing the point.

sure. consent to less than minimum all you want.

but, the person that made the offer is completely liable and at fault.

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.

as a business in the US they have rules..and you agree to the rules and regs as set forth by the respective federal and state governments as they set forth.

No.

Some things can be against a law and not automatically wrong. If a third party makes rules for two consenting parties, would you admit that the third party in some ways owns the other people?

Let's say you agree to grow a plant and another person agrees to give you $5 for the plant, you both agree, should a third party be able to stop you from transacting?

 

[schuylaar]

The duress was, 1000s of people making their way to America, spending their lives' savings to do so and then getting to America and being looked down on and treated like shit. In order to survive they had to take whatever jobs they could which didn't pay enough to provide food and shelter and usually the most dangerous working conditions. It is actually interesting history. Also why I will always say there was a time when unions were necessary.

hey! how come you didn't answer my question from yesterday?:

can you tell the difference between a humanitarian act and white guilt?

 

[schuylaar]

No.

Some things can be against a law and not automatically wrong. If a third party makes rules for two consenting parties, would you admit that the third party in some ways owns the other people?

Let's say you agree to grow a plant and another person agrees to give you $5 for the plant, you both agree, should a third party be able to stop you from transacting?

i already answered your question..i'm not in the spin mood today.

 

[Rob Roy]

oh, you don't like him? some think he's a messiah..entered the presidency at 71..the above pic was when he was shot and brady was paralyzed for life.

Yes, but did he diddle Nancy that same night?

"Oh Ronny, you're so brave!! Let's jail some druggies tomorrow!!!...slurp, slurp " - Nancy partially clad with Johnny Carson blaring in the background