is dabbing vaporizing or smoking?

[Fadedawg]

Here is the data on prenatal cannabis exposure from the Granny Storm Crow List, starting on about Page 639.

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/GSCListJan2014CONDITIONS.pdf

 

[Gquebed]

I rest my case regarding behavior saying more about the perpetrator than the victim.

That I'm neither lazy nor stupid is a matter of public record at my age, so take your best shot.

Besides being a top manufacturing engineering program manager for the leading Fortune 500 company in their field, for most of my professional career, I'm guessing I was probably tutoring science and math GED students about the time you were weaned.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself, so the us is either a very small circle of friends or a fig newton of your imagination.

Clearly you have no such information, or you wouldn't be avoiding presenting it to make me look as stupid as you choose to call me.

Citing ones credentials on a forum is pointless. There is no why credible way to verify. To cite them in a debate over fact is also pointless. The credentials just aren't necessary. Fact is fact.

So the only purpose of citing credentials is to possibly reinforce an argument. But since facts don't need reinforcement... the only reason I can think of for citing credentials is that the person citing them is insecure about the argument they are making.


Here's the thing.... I have mentioned, a couple of times, that time is a factor in all of this and you have not addressed that. I've wonder why, since it is a crucial factor. It can only be because time is the thing unravels your argument. If your credentials are valid then you must consider this factor and concede to it.

The FACT is, these vape-pen elements must heat over vape temp because by the TIME you apply the extract the temp of the element has fallen. Has it fallen below combustion temp? Is it still above or at vape-temp? Now an element that small could not possibly maintain the optimum vape-temp for the TIME it takes to vaporize all of the extract applied. So the truth about vape pens is that they heat well over combustion temps and by the time you apply the extract the temps fall to still above combustion level and then to vaporization level and then below in a matter of a second or two. And what you end up inhaling is some smoke and some vapour, as well as bits that are neither.


The same is true of nails. They take longer to heat. They take longer to cool. BUT to those who say they heat their nails to optimum vape-temp and then apply the extract....well... news flash: by the TIME you get your extract to the nail it has fallen below optimum vape-temp. So will get some vaporized extract, but most of it will be wasted (not vaporized or burned at all) Which is exactly why the vast majority of people heat their nails to red hot, way above combustion-temp, and drop the dab. So none of the extract is wasted. But, again, they are smoking the vast majority of the extract and vaping a fraction of it when the temp falls to that point for a fraction of a second and then below.

To those of you who say they can maintain a nail at optimum vape-temp to vaporize all of the extract applied, I call absolute bullshit, unless you're using some very some expensive equipment and have three or four hands available. And even then you would only be able to maintain a range, as opposed to constant temp.

Some may say I am splitting hairs here, but if you are true to the credentials that you claim to have then you know there is no such thing in chemistry or physics.

Now, Mr. Fortune 500 Captin of Industry, professor and all-around authority of life the universe and everything, I do not dispute the scientific facts you have so generously bestowed to us lowly, ignorant plebians here, but I do wonder why, somebody of your learning, would neglect to factor TIME in, as it is critical to most all chemical facts?

Might that be because the time factor plays far better in my argument and undermines yours?

Please enlighten this poor ignorant soul.

 

[Gquebed]

Two words. Carb cap. Not a pain. Low temp dabs also taste amazing and way more smooth. Everything you said is actually backwards. You sure you have really tried it?

This is not low temp dabbing. This is cooling the gas from combusted extract. Notice the cooling chamber is AFTER the point of ignition?

So what you are tasting is cooled smoke. Nothing to do with vapour here.

Also, this is nothing more than a variation of the old water-pipe.... nothing new.

 

[Rrog]

Citing ones credentials on a forum is pointless. There is no why credible way to verify. To cite them in a debate over fact is also pointless. The credentials just aren't necessary. Fact is fact.

So the only purpose of citing credentials is to possibly reinforce an argument. But since facts don't need reinforcement... the only reason I can think of for citing credentials is that the person citing them is insecure about the argument they are making.


Here's the thing.... I have mentioned, a couple of times, that time is a factor in all of this and you have not addressed that. I've wonder why, since it is a crucial factor. It can only be because time is the thing unravels your argument. If your credentials are valid then you must consider this factor and concede to it.

The FACT is, these vape-pen elements must heat over vape temp because by the TIME you apply the extract the temp of the element has fallen. Has it fallen below combustion temp? Is it still above or at vape-temp? Now an element that small could not possibly maintain the optimum vape-temp for the TIME it takes to vaporize all of the extract applied. So the truth about vape pens is that they heat well over combustion temps and by the time you apply the extract the temps fall to still above combustion level and then to vaporization level and then below in a matter of a second or two. And what you end up inhaling is some smoke and some vapour, as well as bits that are neither.


The same is true of nails. They take longer to heat. They take longer to cool. BUT to those who say they heat their nails to optimum vape-temp and then apply the extract....well... news flash: by the TIME you get your extract to the nail it has fallen below optimum vape-temp. So will get some vaporized extract, but most of it will be wasted (not vaporized or burned at all) Which is exactly why the vast majority of people heat their nails to red hot, way above combustion-temp, and drop the dab. So none of the extract is wasted. But, again, they are smoking the vast majority of the extract and vaping a fraction of it when the temp falls to that point for a fraction of a second and then below.

To those of you who say they can maintain a nail at optimum vape-temp to vaporize all of the extract applied, I call absolute bullshit, unless you're using some very some expensive equipment and have three or four hands available. And even then you would only be able to maintain a range, as opposed to constant temp.

Some may say I am splitting hairs here, but if you are true to the credentials that you claim to have then you know there is no such thing in chemistry or physics.

Now, Mr. Fortune 500 Captin of Industry, professor and all-around authority of life the universe and everything, I do not dispute the scientific facts you have so generously bestowed to us lowly, ignorant plebians here, but I do wonder why, somebody of your learning, would neglect to factor TIME in, as it is critical to most all chemical facts?

Might that be because the time factor plays far better in my argument and undermines yours?

Please enlighten this poor ignorant soul.

I lost track of this thread, and have not followed who supports what, but Jesus crispies this is a great post

 

[Gquebed]

I lost track of this thread, and have not followed who supports what, but Jesus crispies this is a great post

Well thank you.

For the record and in a nutshell, i am only saying that the vast majority of people are not truly valorizing...they are smoking. To truly vaporize would require some very sophisticated and expensive euipment.

 

[gk skunky]

No. That's vapor. There is no ignition. You have done nothing to prove it is not vapor. You are lost on the subject. Think what you want but scientifically vaporizing is 100% possible. You're just confused. Also, it's vary obvious you don't have very much first hand experience in the matter.

 

[Rrog]

A tiny mass might have a hard time keeping a small temp window during a dab. I dunno

My SSV isn't combustion, so there's that

 

[Gquebed]

No. That's vapor. There is no ignition. You have done nothing to prove it is not vapor. You are lost on the subject. Think what you want but scientifically vaporizing is 100% possible. You're just confused. Also, it's vary obvious you don't have very much first hand experience in the matter.

Im not arguing that it is not possible. If course it is possible. It is just that is not what the vast majority of people are doing. And the youtube vids you posted have nothing to do with vaping. That is smoke....

But you can dellude yourself all you want.

 

[Rrog]

You're saying that combustion occurs below 400? The vapor that is created below combustion you're calling smoke?

 

[Gquebed]

You're saying that combustion occurs below 400? The vapor that is created below combustion you're calling smoke?

No. Im calling bullshit on the temp claimed

 

[gk skunky]

No. Im calling bullshit on the temp claimed

Good lord you are DENSE!!!! I have told I've confirmed temps 450* and under for my low temp dabs, others 300 to 350 or so with enails and not going by the displayed temp on the controller but the actual surface temp of the nail and I have even shown you a video example of a guy checking temps while using even a torch. You even get to see the use of a carb cap that helps make that possible by slightly pressure manipulation. The entropy and enthalpy of vaporization is much lower than that of combustion as well. You REALLY don't understand this as well as you think. You have to also consider canabinoids and the terpenoids boiling points and when you do pay attention to the pressures in which those were measured. Then remember these are still in essences VOCs and they will readily vaporize when above boiling just as a liquid VOC though at a slightly slower rate. If you have quality concentrate that's clean and pure, and a way of controlling and confirming temp everything you are saying is BS is fact and you are the one misled. If you knew as much about the subject as you think you would know that even with the electric enails it's well known that the displays aren't accurate and it's best to measure yourself to see the actual surface temp, which again yes IR thermometers are very capable of measuring surface temps within that range and there are even other IR thermos that use multiple lasers to use light sights on a gun to measure whats in the middle and adjustable IR guns to adjust for different surface types if necessary. Hell guys are even confirming temps for rosin extracts and if took that long to vaporize like you keep claiming it wouldn't matter the press time for that extraction method near as much as it does. Know how long it takes to vaporize away all your stuff at about 300*F confirmed with a hair straightner, ehhh about 7 seconds or so. Hardly an extended period of time. This is the last I'm saying because you're honestly just wasting my time. Go read, do research, try things your self, try them multiple times, go experience things. Stop talking out of your ass.

If you can't read the controllers display it was set at 529.

 

[Fadedawg]

Citing ones credentials on a forum is pointless. There is no why credible way to verify. To cite them in a debate over fact is also pointless. The credentials just aren't necessary. Fact is fact.

So the only purpose of citing credentials is to possibly reinforce an argument. But since facts don't need reinforcement... the only reason I can think of for citing credentials is that the person citing them is insecure about the argument they are making.


Here's the thing.... I have mentioned, a couple of times, that time is a factor in all of this and you have not addressed that. I've wonder why, since it is a crucial factor. It can only be because time is the thing unravels your argument. If your credentials are valid then you must consider this factor and concede to it.

The FACT is, these vape-pen elements must heat over vape temp because by the TIME you apply the extract the temp of the element has fallen. Has it fallen below combustion temp? Is it still above or at vape-temp? Now an element that small could not possibly maintain the optimum vape-temp for the TIME it takes to vaporize all of the extract applied. So the truth about vape pens is that they heat well over combustion temps and by the time you apply the extract the temps fall to still above combustion level and then to vaporization level and then below in a matter of a second or two. And what you end up inhaling is some smoke and some vapour, as well as bits that are neither.


The same is true of nails. They take longer to heat. They take longer to cool. BUT to those who say they heat their nails to optimum vape-temp and then apply the extract....well... news flash: by the TIME you get your extract to the nail it has fallen below optimum vape-temp. So will get some vaporized extract, but most of it will be wasted (not vaporized or burned at all) Which is exactly why the vast majority of people heat their nails to red hot, way above combustion-temp, and drop the dab. So none of the extract is wasted. But, again, they are smoking the vast majority of the extract and vaping a fraction of it when the temp falls to that point for a fraction of a second and then below.

To those of you who say they can maintain a nail at optimum vape-temp to vaporize all of the extract applied, I call absolute bullshit, unless you're using some very some expensive equipment and have three or four hands available. And even then you would only be able to maintain a range, as opposed to constant temp.

Some may say I am splitting hairs here, but if you are true to the credentials that you claim to have then you know there is no such thing in chemistry or physics.

Now, Mr. Fortune 500 Captin of Industry, professor and all-around authority of life the universe and everything, I do not dispute the scientific facts you have so generously bestowed to us lowly, ignorant plebians here, but I do wonder why, somebody of your learning, would neglect to factor TIME in, as it is critical to most all chemical facts?

Might that be because the time factor plays far better in my argument and undermines yours?

Please enlighten this poor ignorant soul.

Thank you for further making my case that your poor ignorant soul is not enlightenable, so a waste for further attempts.

You've been repeatedly answered and given correct information by any number of brothers and sisters on this thread, and yet your arrogance continues. You offer opinion as fact and are seemingly unable to tell the difference. I rested my case, when it became obvious that was the case, and I infer you missed that part.

The grand news, is that this forum is not about you or your opinions, and those other brothers and sisters who have ears and open minds, as well as those whose education moved beyond graduation from Cub Scout camp, have already made up their minds and moved on.

Can you move on, or is your ego so large that you perceive everything is about you, and none of the rest of us matter?

Back to the present on planet earth, I've answered the OP's question to the best of my ability as a non-doctor, by posting the Granny Storm Crow link to actual studies on prenatal cannabis.

I've also provided the differences between combustion and vaporization, as have others.

Everyone is free to accept or reject any part, and unlike your credentials, who and what I am, is available at http://skunkpharmresearch.com/.

Rave on, but having answered this thread, I won't be returning to debate your fantasies and machinations for love and attention.

PS: My credentials were not to prove the points in question, only to show you are too late to destroy my credibility, as it is a matter of public record at this point.

 

[BigSquish]

Clearly
"dabbing" is inhaling vapor of some kind of hash that has been heated beyond it's boiling point without ever having been ignited and burned as fuel along with oxygen . . .ie combustion. Even if someone dabbed on a nail that was actually still red hot and well beyond Uncle Ray's magical 451 (or whatever the temp for hash is) . . . ok yeah it would taste pretty "burnt" just like engine oil from a nuked race car would smell foul, but none of it is actually burned

So while it's not smoking per se one should consider that at some point an unborn child develops a brain that needs O2, and these are psychoactive drugs. An expecting mother is eating for two, drinking and breathing and growing for two, making decisions for two, and possibly getting high for two. You wouldn't take your newborn home and hotbox the nursery would you?

I say encourage and support her. Empathize, etc. Stock up on chamomile tea and mints and suck it up. Some shit is too important to take chances with over creature comforts.

Love,
Squish

 

[Flagg420]

Both, but if you are asking for health reasons, vaporizing.

The nail at heat causes the oil to vaporize, theres actually a tiny layer of vapor between the nail and oil... but its still going to combust @ start and end... that said, with oil, you have removed all the nasties you are trying to avoid to begin with.... (provided the oil is quality)

 

[BigSquish]

No, not both. No heat is produced as a result, no flame . . . .no combustion whatsoever. Simple as hell, regardless of what the reason for asking is/was.

Oh, and making the choice to get your unborn child high (on fkng dabs !!!) is the bigger health issue, perhaps.

 

[Ray black]

To your point, I find lower temperature dabs tastier and smoother as well, and do use a carb cap to scavenge the last of the puddle, as do virtually all of my associates.

I dab with a fair number of brothers and sisters, and have judged at High Times and IC Mag concentrates cups, yet know absolutely zero that dab red hot nails.

Sadly, one of the insidious problems with incompetence and ignorance, is the more incompetent and ignorant we are on a given subject, the less aware we are of our incompetence.

Lower dabbing temps taste way better.

 

[Ray black]

That may be the product you are getting and not temp. Lower temperature dabs taste much better. Bad taste and sire throat usually comes from crappy oil Imho

Totally could be a shit concentrate, there is a lot of that going around..


I bought a Buddha vaporizer and LOVE it

It gets me higher than dabbing does.. Dabbing almost makes me feel like I ate something.. The Buddha is AMAZING