Attention my OHIO brothers and sisters!!!

JJ05

Well-Known Member
MY OHIO FRIENDS!!! GET OUT AND VOTE THIS NOVEMBER 3rd 2015!! LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN OHIO!!! The voting will take place THIS November 3rd, not the 2016 Primary. Make sure to vote YES on Issue 3 for Legalization, and vote NO on Issue 2, we MUST vote NO on issue 2!! it is SO IMPORTANT to vote NO on issue 2. Issue 2 will block legalization even if its passed!!! Make sure you are registered to vote this November! Contact your counties Board of Elections to see if you are registered to vote this November. Remember, we are voting THIS YEAR, NOVEMBER 2015 do not get confused and think this is for the November 2016.

 

JJ05

Well-Known Member
We CANNOT go another year condemning our citizens over a plant, my brothers and sisters! For those worried, this is not a monopoly. They are issuing 10 grow sites. The grow site number will increase as the demand goes up. They are issuing over 1000+ independently own businesses, anyone can open a business. Now if you do not like that, you are allowed to grow 4 FLOWERING Plants and an unlimited amount of NON FLOWERING PLANTS. If you know anything about a grow cycle you should know that will EASILY produce enough Cannabis to keep you CONSTANTLY supplied and away from the shops, so BAM you dont have to buy from the shops that are being supplied by the 10 grow sites. Some people are complaining about a 50 dollar fee to grow at home. HOWEVER let me ask you this. How much do you pay for Cannabis now and how often? I ASSURE you its ALOT more than the 50 bux they are asking for a grow permit. PLUS RO is going to expunge anyone's Cannabis related offenses, BOOM! Cannabis "crimes" off your record!
 

TheHermit

Well-Known Member
cut and pasted. written by the former director of NORML
http://hightimes.com/read/irresponsibleohio-group-aims-monopolize-legal-marijuana-market

A group of ambitious capitalists in Ohio, under the name of ResponsibleOhio, want to amend the state constitution to give them control of the legal marijuana market in the state.

The group has proposed that marijuana be legalized in Ohio in a three-tiered commercial system consisting of retail outlets, manufacturers of cannabis products and a limited number of wholesalers—that is, them. Only them. The amendment is designed to limit wholesale grow facilities to 10 specific sites owned and operated by the financial backers of ResponsibleOhio.

Oh, wait, personal cultivation would be okay. According to their website, “You are allowed up to four plants per household (there is no set limit on how many non-flowering plants you can have) and eight ounces of useable product at a time.”

"You are allowed..."

This one comment sums up all that is wrong with this proposal.

Think about that. Allowed by whom? By the cartel, that’s who. ResponsibleOhio wants to take over the marijuana business and use criminal law to enforce a constitutionally mandated monopoly.

ResponsibleOhio argues that they are not establishing a monopoly because their 10 grow facilities will have to “compete with each other on price and quality, which is the exact opposite of a monopoly. There is no coordination between them, they will be trying to make money by selling the best goods at the best prices to stores, dispensaries and manufacturers.”

The proper description, then, is oligopoly—the control of a closed market by a few firms, commonly referred to as a cartel.

Economic terminology aside, there are a few obvious problems with this proposal. But the most prominent of them concerns the way it further corrupts criminal law to serve private economic interests.

Consider this scenario. An individual grows 12 flowering plants, and sells some of the harvest. They have broken the law.

But what is the purpose of that law?

The purpose of the law is now to prevent anyone from competing with the cartel’s 10 licensed wholesale grow facilities, on any scale whatsoever.

The progressive movement in American politics has served to respond to corporate excess, to balance the self-serving actions of greedy industrialists with concern for the interests of consumers and the general public. The campaign of ResponsibleOhio is just the opposite of this; the government is being used to advance private interests at public expense.

This is bad public policy.

The public interest in ending marijuana prohibition is to put an end to the illegal and unregulated market of marijuana cultivation and sales. A closed market, such as the cultivation oligopoly proposed by ResponsibleOhio, will not achieve this objective. Criminal law has been unable to restrict cultivation activity—how can anyone argue that any sort of closed market can successfully monopolize marijuana cultivation?

Why does ResponsibleOhio want to restrict cultivation to 10 sites?

It is because they have promised a profitable return to the financial backers behind this greedy initiative. Restricting production is a classic way to keep prices high, and high prices means high profits. They can dress this up anyway they want, but the bottom line is that is a scheme to corner the market and maximize the return on their collective investment.

This is an anti-competitive racket, yes, a racket, and it won’t work because high prices invite lower priced competition.

And it is small scale growers who will provide such competition, regardless of Ohio law, the Ohio Constitution and the best efforts of ResponsibleOhio to corner the market. As such, this may make a lot of money for these private interests, but the public interest in shutting down the illegal market will not be served.

There will be no closed markets. Today’s marijuana users and growers will not allow it.
 

droopy107

Well-Known Member
I don't know. I definitely get what you're saying about the cornering of the market. I don't care for it anymore than you do, but my feelings on the issue are this. First and foremost, A true grass roots free the weed campaign for legalization doesn't stand much chance because it can't generate enough money to pay for the incredible costs associated with taking something of this sort all the way to the end zone. That cost also includes paying people to collect signatures to even get it on the ballot in the first place. Grass roots volunteers are real heros of the movement, but there just aren't enough people willing to get involved to get the job done without mighty amounts of cold hard cash. I submit as evidence the other failed initiatives. I don't claim to know all the details that went wrong for them, but I'm willing to bet understaffed and underfunded to be two main reasons.

Secondly, convincing us that weed should be legal is a cake walk and any old way to spread the word would work, if we were the only people voting on the initiative. The reality though is that weed smokers are in the minority of voters on this. Grandma and Grandpa down the street are a much better representation of who will be deciding legalization or not. Ever really look at a pro legalization rally? If you haven't, take a cold hard look sometime. The look of the people you see there wont shock you or me, but for the most part they scare the people we need to vote yes on legalization. Is it fair? Nope. Does saying saying it isn't fair change anything? Still nope.

The situation on the ground is that legalization needs to be packaged nicely and sold by smartly dressed men and women. People who can convince conservative minded people that a vote for legalization is a vote for smaller government, lower taxes and sticking it to the Libratards. Then that same person needs to be able to cross the street and convince a liberal that legalization is all about helping gather tax money to better the school system, feed the hungry, all while sticking it to the Conservadicks. In other words it take pro sales people.

Pro, as in professional, as in a company that specializes in winning things like this. I've thought long and hard about this. The reality is that when you take idealism out of the equasion, only the politicaly experienced survive.

I think it's much more effective to let them win it for us here and now and once legalized let non users get used to the idea and politicians get used to the income for a couple of years, then propose an amendment to remove enshrined monopolies without removing legalization.
 

leftyguitar

Well-Known Member
Maybe it's a good start? Imagine, politicians and rich people controlling the capitalist market? Not new. Business as usual. I say start with passing this and then reform as it becomes legal nationally. But I don't live in Ohio. Although, I went to undergrad at U.D.
 

TheHermit

Well-Known Member
If you feel it needs changed before it is even enacted, then why not wait for something better to come along. There are already several groups working towards 2016. Having it on a presidential ballot would also draw a lot more voters. It is not like the momentum for legalization is on the decline.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
cut and pasted. written by the former director of NORML
http://hightimes.com/read/irresponsibleohio-group-aims-monopolize-legal-marijuana-market

A group of ambitious capitalists in Ohio, under the name of ResponsibleOhio, want to amend the state constitution to give them control of the legal marijuana market in the state.

The group has proposed that marijuana be legalized in Ohio in a three-tiered commercial system consisting of retail outlets, manufacturers of cannabis products and a limited number of wholesalers—that is, them. Only them. The amendment is designed to limit wholesale grow facilities to 10 specific sites owned and operated by the financial backers of ResponsibleOhio.

Oh, wait, personal cultivation would be okay. According to their website, “You are allowed up to four plants per household (there is no set limit on how many non-flowering plants you can have) and eight ounces of useable product at a time.”

"You are allowed..."

This one comment sums up all that is wrong with this proposal.

Think about that. Allowed by whom? By the cartel, that’s who. ResponsibleOhio wants to take over the marijuana business and use criminal law to enforce a constitutionally mandated monopoly.

ResponsibleOhio argues that they are not establishing a monopoly because their 10 grow facilities will have to “compete with each other on price and quality, which is the exact opposite of a monopoly. There is no coordination between them, they will be trying to make money by selling the best goods at the best prices to stores, dispensaries and manufacturers.”

The proper description, then, is oligopoly—the control of a closed market by a few firms, commonly referred to as a cartel.

Economic terminology aside, there are a few obvious problems with this proposal. But the most prominent of them concerns the way it further corrupts criminal law to serve private economic interests.

Consider this scenario. An individual grows 12 flowering plants, and sells some of the harvest. They have broken the law.

But what is the purpose of that law?

The purpose of the law is now to prevent anyone from competing with the cartel’s 10 licensed wholesale grow facilities, on any scale whatsoever.

The progressive movement in American politics has served to respond to corporate excess, to balance the self-serving actions of greedy industrialists with concern for the interests of consumers and the general public. The campaign of ResponsibleOhio is just the opposite of this; the government is being used to advance private interests at public expense.

This is bad public policy.

The public interest in ending marijuana prohibition is to put an end to the illegal and unregulated market of marijuana cultivation and sales. A closed market, such as the cultivation oligopoly proposed by ResponsibleOhio, will not achieve this objective. Criminal law has been unable to restrict cultivation activity—how can anyone argue that any sort of closed market can successfully monopolize marijuana cultivation?

Why does ResponsibleOhio want to restrict cultivation to 10 sites?

It is because they have promised a profitable return to the financial backers behind this greedy initiative. Restricting production is a classic way to keep prices high, and high prices means high profits. They can dress this up anyway they want, but the bottom line is that is a scheme to corner the market and maximize the return on their collective investment.

This is an anti-competitive racket, yes, a racket, and it won’t work because high prices invite lower priced competition.

And it is small scale growers who will provide such competition, regardless of Ohio law, the Ohio Constitution and the best efforts of ResponsibleOhio to corner the market. As such, this may make a lot of money for these private interests, but the public interest in shutting down the illegal market will not be served.

There will be no closed markets. Today’s marijuana users and growers will not allow it.
WORD.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Maybe it's a good start? Imagine, politicians and rich people controlling the capitalist market? Not new. Business as usual. I say start with passing this and then reform as it becomes legal nationally. But I don't live in Ohio. Although, I went to undergrad at U.D.
Not a good solution. Once passed, it's hard to broaden mmj laws. Here in Colorado, the trend has consistently been towards MORE regulation, restriction and control.
 

MoMoGrows

Well-Known Member
So what if they want to corner the market blah blah blah. It makes it legal to posses which means you and me no longer get busted for a friggin dub.
And just because only ten companies can produce it doesn't mean you have to buy from them. Its still available from the homie down tha street. You think his dude shut his grow house down because he's not one of the ten companies? Nah.
 

cassinfo

Well-Known Member
MY OHIO FRIENDS!!! GET OUT AND VOTE THIS NOVEMBER 3rd 2015!! LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN OHIO!!! The voting will take place THIS November 3rd, not the 2016 Primary. Make sure to vote YES on Issue 3 for Legalization, and vote NO on Issue 2, we MUST vote NO on issue 2!! it is SO IMPORTANT to vote NO on issue 2. Issue 2 will block legalization even if its passed!!! Make sure you are registered to vote this November! Contact your counties Board of Elections to see if you are registered to vote this November. Remember, we are voting THIS YEAR, NOVEMBER 2015 do not get confused and think this is for the November 2016.

Fuck issue 3. 10 sites? Bullshit!! Blue collar Joe like me can't open my own shop and live the dream? Fuck issue 3!!
 

cassinfo

Well-Known Member
MY OHIO FRIENDS!!! GET OUT AND VOTE THIS NOVEMBER 3rd 2015!! LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN OHIO!!! The voting will take place THIS November 3rd, not the 2016 Primary. Make sure to vote YES on Issue 3 for Legalization, and vote NO on Issue 2, we MUST vote NO on issue 2!! it is SO IMPORTANT to vote NO on issue 2. Issue 2 will block legalization even if its passed!!! Make sure you are registered to vote this November! Contact your counties Board of Elections to see if you are registered to vote this November. Remember, we are voting THIS YEAR, NOVEMBER 2015 do not get confused and think this is for the November 2016.

Fuck issue 3. Greedy bastard!! God gave us this plant for everyone to grow. Fuck issue 3 damit!! Free for all or none!! I want my own shop too damit. Fuck issue 3.
 

dandyrandy

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So what if they want to corner the market blah blah blah. It makes it legal to posses which means you and me no longer get busted for a friggin dub.
And just because only ten companies can produce it doesn't mean you have to buy from them. Its still available from the homie down tha street. You think his dude shut his grow house down because he's not one of the ten companies? Nah.
Personal grows also allowed.
 
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