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natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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professor KIND said:
every time
i smoke it. feels
like my dutch master
is loaded w/ sexy storm troopers

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Lol

If it is anything like the red eye jedi I bet she is loud as hell. That shit was stanking so hard it showed me I had a bad seal on a jar lol. Also lets me know my carbon filter is working full force.

I cut the last 2 red eye jedi down this weekend. Both have more hash smell to them than the first 2 I chopped. But one is definitely more perfumey/floral scent and the other is a soft hash smell, almost no smell really. I will poat the pics I took later tonight.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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Peat isnt a resource that can regenerate itself. Coco is and is far better once a few aspects are covered. Hard to teach a old dog new tricks but give it a try and im almost 100% sure you wont look back. As for going full organic with coco its the same as using peat... Done multi tests with super cocos strait water feeding and with a few ammendment and teas added during early to mid flower is a win win
 
D619

D619

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hellraizer30 said:
Peat isnt a resource that can regenerate itself. Coco is and is far better once a few aspects are covered. Hard to teach a old dog new tricks but give it a try and im almost 100% sure you wont look back. As for going full organic with coco its the same as using peat... Done multi tests with super cocos strait water feeding and with a few ammendment and teas added during early to mid flower is a win win
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Here are the simple facts: Canada has over 270 million acres of peat bogs which produce peat moss. Each year the peat moss industry harvests only 40,000 acres of peat moss mostly for horticultural use. If you do the math that comes to one of every 6,000 acres of peat moss is harvested each year. And here is the cherry on top. Peat bogs are living entities. The peat bogs grow 70% more peat moss each year than is harvested. With that data I consider peat definitely a renewaable. There are plenty of research conducted by numerous Universities about Sphagnum Peat Moss vs Coco Coir that condradicts your statement. There are pros and cons to both, I've tried both.Their are several different grades of peat moss, and I only use Alaskan Peat Moss in my soil, and from my experience it outperformed Coco.
 
JDGreen

JDGreen

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Anybody with some info on Satsuma. I just grabbed some jabbas stash and want to pair it with something alittle fruitier. Unfortunately i can only.find bits and pieces of info. Pics and experience greatly appreciated
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
D619 said:
Here are the simple facts: Canada has over 270 million acres of peat bogs which produce peat moss. Each year the peat moss industry harvests only 40,000 acres of peat moss mostly for horticultural use. If you do the math that comes to one of every 6,000 acres of peat moss is harvested each year. And here is the cherry on top. Peat bogs are living entities. The peat bogs grow 70% more peat moss each year than is harvested. With that data I consider peat definitely a renewaable. There are plenty of research conducted by numerous Universities about Sphagnum Peat Moss vs Coco Coir that condradicts your statement. There are pros and cons to both, I've tried both.Their are several different grades of peat moss, and I only use Alaskan Peat Moss in my soil, and from my experience it outperformed Coco.
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I live in alaska and i know peat and im telling you once you mine out the peat in the area it will never come back and the surounding areas around the mined out area will dry up and die off. There is a small amount of regrowth but takes lifetimes to see it. Theres tons of miss info showing peat as a the best option but coco owns been there done that.

Living in a state thats full of peat not to many folks here use it lol

Coco + mycos = a stress free growing
 
D619

D619

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Alaskan Peat is a company that harvest SphagnumPeat Moss from Northern Alberta, not Alaska. Like I said plenty of data that contradicts your statements. " tons of misinformation about Peat" so multi test conducted by numerous universities are lying ? Is it a Peat Moss conspiracy ? Easy for anyone to research and experiment themselves. Coco being far superior to Sphagnum Peat Moss takes the cake as far as misinformation goes.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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D619 said:
Alaskan Peat is a company that harvest SphagnumPeat Moss from Northern Alberta, not Alaska. Like I said plenty of data that contradicts your statements. " tons of misinformation about Peat" so multi test conducted by numerous universities are lying ? Is it a Peat Moss conspiracy ? Easy for anyone to research and experiment themselves. Coco being far superior to Sphagnum Peat Moss takes the cake as far as misinformation goes.
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The only thing I've found where peat is superior is CEC. Aside from that, I don't see how it outperforms coco. If you like a ph around 4 then peat gets the nod there too.

Coco is a byproduct of an already existing industry. Peat is not. It is mined almost exclusively for horticulture. There is no way to dredge a peat bog without destroying the ecosystem that has been established over hundreds of years. Period.

If you prefer peat, great. Use it. I've used both over the course of many years and I prefer coco. Unless you own stock in a company that mines peat, I don't understand your point here?? Where is the misinformation? Is coco's ph not better suited for the plant we're growing? Does coco not provide better aeration, and water retention than peat?
 
Scotch089

Scotch089

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Yea but with the cec in coco, what do you have to do differently than with pest while preparing the medium? Besides rinse it... which is almost enough for me to say 'neh..' in its own.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Scotch089 said:
Yea but with the cec in coco, what do you have to do differently than with pest while preparing the medium? Besides rinse it... which is almost enough for me to say 'neh..' in its own.
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I buy pre rinsed coco. Most bagged coco is triple washed. If you buy a block/bale you will likely have to rinse it.

Nothing is different in the preparation. I use it in an organic soil, and because of its structure, which allows more oxygen to the root zone, you can use less aeration bits if you like. I'm using 25% where as with peat it was 1/3. No biggie either way though.

While peat does have a higher CEC, I've yet to get a good explanation as to why that matters. My plants certainly don't seem negatively affected. I liken it to a car that has a top speed of 250 mph. That's really impressive, but will I ever need to go that fast? So if peat has a CEC of 150 (for example), and coco has a CEC of 110, does that impact our plants in any way? Again, only anecdotal but my plants have been healthier and more productive in my coco buckets. I attribute that to the more favorable ph with coco. I don't get my soils tested, so the less guess work I have to do the better.

But again, if you prefer peat then rock on. We all have different gardens with different variables, so what works for me may not work for you. I just think people should be open to trying new things and not be so rigid. I would say the same for leaf mold. Try it! We haul those leaves to the curb and it turns out it makes a great, free medium for us to grow in.
 
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Scotch089

Scotch089

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Good gawd Natro, beauts in there.

Not to continue being off topic but I just tested my res, came at 7.0. Still rocking the ol drops. Mustve been my old RO or something... but any suggestions?

Edit: I think I have some fish bone meal I could topdress or brew a tea with. (Stow I'm gonna have to look and see when we pmd, I dono how long it had to break down in the soil)
 
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hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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st0wandgrow said:
The only thing I've found where peat is superior is CEC. Aside from that, I don't see how it outperforms coco. If you like a ph around 4 then peat gets the nod there too.

Coco is a byproduct of an already existing industry. Peat is not. It is mined almost exclusively for horticulture. There is no way to dredge a peat bog without destroying the ecosystem that has been established over hundreds of years. Period.

If you prefer peat, great. Use it. I've used both over the course of many years and I prefer coco. Unless you own stock in a company that mines peat, I don't understand your point here?? Where is the misinformation? Is coco's ph not better suited for the plant we're growing? Does coco not provide better aeration, and water retention than peat?
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Well said buddy
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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D619 said:
https://cpl.usu.edu/files/publications/factsheet/pub__9468201.pdf


http://www.scienceofnature.info/media/articles/cocovspeat.pdf

My point is despite the scientific data you continuing to make statement coco coir is superior to Sphagnum Peat Moss , pros and cons to both. My point pretty clear...
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http://extension.oregonstate.edu/gardening/coir-sustainable-alternative-peat-moss-garden


"Researchers at Auburn University and University of Arkansas compared peat and coir as soil amendments for horticulture. They found that coir performed on par with peat.

Coir has proven to hold moisture well, wet more easily than peat, drain well, decompose more slowly and withstand compression better than peat. Plus coir dust does not have the small sticks and possible seeds that peat has."


"But most gardeners probably don't realize that peat takes hundreds of years to form, explained Linda McMahan, horticulturist with the Oregon State University Extension Service.

Wetland ecologists say that peat is being harvested at non-sustainable rates. While the peat industry argues that peatlands can be managed at sustainable levels, it recognizes that alternatives to peat must be developed in order to meet environmental concerns of consumers and contend with increased regulation of peatland exploitation."

I agree that there are pros and cons to both. In MY garden I prefer coco coir. I have no vested interest in one over the other, I'm just using what's worked best for me. The fact that it's more enviornmentally friendly is an added bonus. To each their own.
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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Great info's in regards to peat and coco dudes. I won't lie I feel like a piece of shit using the peat once and tossing it. My whole indoor farming practice is whack! Peat and drain to waste synth with household power consumption increase by 3x or more. a byproduct of prohibition I say.



Switching to coco for me will at least be a step in the right direction. Then after that I'd like to start making organic mixes and stop using synthetics. Outdoor in my region, well I don't know how viable that would be even if it were legal. Might have to do pooderalis for outdoor up here.
 
Al Yamoni

Al Yamoni

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hellraizer30 said:
Peat isnt a resource that can regenerate itself. Coco is and is far better once a few aspects are covered. Hard to teach a old dog new tricks but give it a try and im almost 100% sure you wont look back. As for going full organic with coco its the same as using peat... Done multi tests with super cocos strait water feeding and with a few ammendment and teas added during early to mid flower is a win win
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That's almost exactly how I do it and I love my results!
 
D619

D619

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st0wandgrow said:
http://extension.oregonstate.edu/gardening/coir-sustainable-alternative-peat-moss-garden


"Researchers at Auburn University and University of Arkansas compared peat and coir as soil amendments for horticulture. They found that coir performed on par with peat.

Coir has proven to hold moisture well, wet more easily than peat, drain well, decompose more slowly and withstand compression better than peat. Plus coir dust does not have the small sticks and possible seeds that peat has."


"But most gardeners probably don't realize that peat takes hundreds of years to form, explained Linda McMahan, horticulturist with the Oregon State University Extension Service.

Wetland ecologists say that peat is being harvested at non-sustainable rates. While the peat industry argues that peatlands can be managed at sustainable levels, it recognizes that alternatives to peat must be developed in order to meet environmental concerns of consumers and contend with increased regulation of peatland exploitation."

I agree that there are pros and cons to both. In MY garden I prefer coco coir. I have no vested interest in one over the other, I'm just using what's worked best for me. The fact that it's more enviornmentally friendly is an added bonus. To each their own.
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On Par, based on this study , others Coir didn't compare to CSPM in overall growth. Yes you like coco coir over Peat Moss and I have no issue with any of that I was simply stating " coir being far superior to Peat " is misleading. For my method of growing I get better results with CSPM, to each there own. Happy growing.
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