Christianity has been debunked once and for all

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trishmybiscuits

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Religion is a BELIEF! You either believe in something or you believe in nothing. How about we all just agree that something bigger then ourselves made everything. Whether it be science-related or "God" related. Senseless banter is useless and only brings about feelings of misanthropy.

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First, we don't know what you're saying to be fact. You're just speculating.

Second, what's at issue here are the specific claims that the Christians make about their god and his son. Those claims are completely, totally, and extremely debunkable.
 

imtylerdammit

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First, we don't know what you're saying to be fact. You're just speculating.

Second, what's at issue here are the specific claims that the Christians make about their god and his son. Those claims are completely, totally, and extremely debunkable.

Im agnostic so believe what ya want, unless its Christianity...hail Satan:twisted:
 

Microdizzey

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First, we don't know what you're saying to be fact. You're just speculating.

Second, what's at issue here are the specific claims that the Christians make about their god and his son. Those claims are completely, totally, and extremely debunkable.
oh, is that a fact? :rolleyes:

it's all speculation, right? so an argument over this is pointless and won't go anywhere. just remember to respect others' beliefs. disrespect and rudeness only brings bad energy to yourself.


oh, by the way. these claims that Christians make. do you even know what they are?
 

sarah22

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oh, is that a fact? :rolleyes:

it's all speculation, right? so an argument over this is pointless and won't go anywhere. just remember to respect others' beliefs. disrespect and rudeness only brings bad energy to yourself.


oh, by the way. these claims that Christians make. do you even know what they are?
how about the earth only being 6000 years old? or the whole creation bull...they think that man was made by "god" and then "god" made women from a mans rib bone...please. totally "debunkable". sorry...i just read that last post and wanted to respond...sorry for interrupting the thread...
 

matt+amber4ever

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i havent read the whole thread so yeah, but on the topic of debunking christianity, its not that hard, but most devout(sp) people wont listen to logic when it comes to it, its not in their beleifs,

also,
The Satanic Bible, by Anton S. LeVey, is one hell of a good read if you on the oppisite side of christianity, no its not about devil worship and shit, just kinda a lot of insight on the christian religion, and just teaches to lookout for youself and what matters to you, not having to answer to some "god"
 

Microdizzey

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it's not all literal. just the general idea. as for Earth being 6000 years old, i don't think it says that anywhere. God created man as he created everything else. and created woman under the same human form with different body parts.

same thing goes for the monsters in the form of many different beasts. they aren't literally mutant creatures, instead they are forms of nations or people.
 

We TaRdED

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I'm waiting for "God" to show Himself to me.

Where is He when the people of the world need Him? What is the greater good that comes from people suffering?

How come certain important facts are so conflicting between Christianity and Science?

I believe there IS something that created us, I just don't know exactly who, what, where and/or why.

(BTW, Nice avatar Microdizzey :D)

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trishmybiscuits

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oh, is that a fact? :rolleyes:

it's all speculation, right?
The statement that I was responding to was in fact nothing but pure speculation.

so an argument over this is pointless and won't go anywhere. just remember to respect others' beliefs. disrespect and rudeness only brings bad energy to yourself.
If people are going to make wild claims and then try to ram them down other people's throats, they better be able to stand the heat in the kitchen.

oh, by the way. these claims that Christians make. do you even know what they are?
Anyone who lives in the United States knows what they are!
 

trishmybiscuits

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how about the earth only being 6000 years old? or the whole creation bull...they think that man was made by "god" and then "god" made women from a mans rib bone...please. totally "debunkable". sorry...i just read that last post and wanted to respond...sorry for interrupting the thread...
You're not interrupting the thread by any stretch. By all means, feel free to chime in whenever you want.
 

Microdizzey

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If people are going to make wild claims and then try to ram them down other people's throats, they better be able to stand the heat in the kitchen.
nobody is ramming anything down your throat. (i hope)
you're just saying so because most people who hate Christians say that.
i have never once had a Christian come to me and attempt to put there religious beliefs into my brain, and i've met dozens of them. to me they are very nice and happy people.

just be respectful is all i'm saying.
 

pamaris

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This is my first post, so hi. Been lurking for several weeks. I just wanted to say something about this.

"Christianity" will never be "debunked". Many things can be debunked about what people consider Christianity to be. For example, the right-wing fundamental protestantism that is peculiar and unique to the USA can be debunked as a cultural phenomenon that has very little to do with the words of Jesus. That version of Christianity is what most non-believers want to debunk, but it certainly isn't the only way of believing in Jesus. In fact, it may be the worst way.

What can be proven is that the Bible is not meant to be taken literally 100% of the time. That is just common sense. However, it can't be proven that the main tenant of the Bible- that Jesus Christ is the son of God (and equal to God), is untrue. Just as it can't be proven to be true. It can't be proven that he wasn't resurrected. It is a matter of belief, as has been stated earlier in the thread.

I think it would be useful for people to compare the actual words of Jesus to the various institutions of Christianity. I grew up as a Southern Baptist Bible thumper, since that is the family background I come from. However, Of course when I became an adult I saw the error of my ways, and to be frank I am really put off now by any version of Christianity that preaches hellfire, damnation, fear & guilt; leaving out the most important message of Jesus, which is grace, love & mercy.

It would also help if people would gain a broader understanding of Christianity outside of the world of weird American televangelists with toupees who blow on people. It's a big world out there.

I do admit that there are massive sections of the Bible I must set aside, because they do seem harsh. I can't personally reconcile the Old Testament "mean" God with the New Testament Christ. However, that is where faith comes in. Much of what I don't understand can be put down to the harsh cultural mores at the time. The rest, I'll find out in the great hereafter.

It is perfectly fine if people don't believe what I do. For the record, I don't believe that the earth is 6,000 years old. I do believe in evolution. I don't have a problem with gays. There are millions like me who do think critically about these things, and still believe. It's just that we are not as vocal, brash and annoying as the rest.

Another thing, faith is not incompatible with science. Read 'The Language of God' by Frances Collins, the guy who mapped the human genome; or 'Beyond the Cosmos' by Hugh Ross, a PHD astrophysicist. Those guys are really smart... lots of Christians do expand their knowledge of God & the universe with new scientific discoveries.

Anyway, when you say "Christianity is debunked", at least be specific about what is being debunked. Christianity is a big word with varied meanings to different people. It's like saying "Love is debunked". Christianity will never be debunked, and it will never be proven that Jesus is not God. It will never be proven that he is either (unless you are a believer, & you accept that it will be proven to all people in the afterlife). It is futile to debate the matter. So... peace.

Not ramming anything down throats here, just clarifying what this particular Christian believes.
 

Prophecy

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Solomon Asks for Wisdom
1 Kings Chapter 3:1 – 15

Solomon made an alliance with Pharaoh King of Egypt and married his daughter. He brought her to the City of David until he finished building his palace and the temple of the Lord, and the wall around Jerusalem. The people, however, were still sacrificing at the high places, because a temple had not yet been built for the Name of the Lord.

v.3 Solomon showed his love for the Lord by walking according to the statues of his father David, except that he offered sacrifices and burned incense in the high places.

The king went to Gibeon to offer sacrifices, for that was the most important high place, and Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar.

v.5 At Gibeon the Lord appeared to Solomon during the night in a dream, and God said, “Ask for whatever you want me to give you.”

Solomon answered, “You have shown great kindness to your servant, my father David, because he was faithful to you and righteous and upright in heart. You have continued this great kindness to him and given him a son to sit on his throne this very day.

v.7 “Now, O Lord my God, you have made your servant king in place of my father David. But I am only a little child and do not know how to carry out my duties. Your servant is here among the people you have chosen, a great people, too numerous to count or number.

v.9 So give your servant a discerning heart to govern your people and to distinguish between right and wrong. For who is able to govern this great people of yours?”
The Lord was pleased that Solomon had asked for this.

v.11 So God said to him, “Since you have asked for this and not for long life or wealth for yourself, nor have asked for the death of your enemies but for discernment in administering justice, I will do what you have asked. I will give you a wise and discerning heart, so that there will never have been anyone like you, nor will there ever be.

v.13 Moreover, I will give you what you have not asked for – both riches and honor – so that in your lifetime you will have no equal among kings. And if you walk in my ways and obey my statues and commands as David your father did, I will give you a long life.”

v.15 Then Solomon awoke – and he realized it had been a dream.
He returned to Jerusalem, stood before the ark of the Lord’s covenant and sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. Then he gave a feast for all his court.

“A Wise Ruling”
1 Kings Chapter 3:16 – 28
Now two prostitutes came before the king and stood before him.

v.17 One of them said, “My lord, this woman and I live in the same house. I had a baby while she was there with me. The third day after my child was born, this woman also had a baby. We were alone; there was no one in the house but the two of us.

v.19 “During the night this woman’s son died because she lay on him. She got up in the middle of the night and took my son from my side while I your servant was asleep. She put him by her breast and put her dead son by my breast.

v.21 The next morning, I got up to nurse my son – and he was dead! But when I looked at him closely in the morning light, I saw that it wasn’t the son I had borne.”
The other woman said, “No! The living one is my son; the dead one is yours.” But the first one insisted, “No! The dead one is yours; the living one is mine.” And so they argued before the king.

v.23 The king said, “The one says, ‘My son is alive and your son is dead, while that one says, ‘No! Your son is dead and mine is alive.’ “
Then the king said bring me a sword,” So they brought a sword for the king.

v.25 He then gave an order: “Cut the living child in two and give half to one and half to the other.”
The woman whose son was alive was filled with compassion for her son and said to the king, “Please, my lord, give her the living baby! Don’t kill him!”
But the other said, “Neither I nor you shall have him. Cut him in two!”

v.27 Then the king gave his ruling: “Give the living baby to the first woman. Do not kill him; she is his mother.”
When all Israel heard the verdict the king had given, they held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.


Solomon’s Wisdom
1 Kings Chapter 4:29 – 34
v.29 God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore. Solomon’s wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the men of the East, and greater then all the wisdom of Egypt.

v.31 He was wiser than any other man, including Ethan the Ezrahite – wiser than Heman, Calcol and Darda, the sons of Mahol. And his fame spread to all the surrounding nations. He spoke three thousand proverbs and his songs numbered a thousand and five.

v.33 He described plant life, from the cedar of Lebanon to the hyssop that grows out of walls. He also taught about animals and birds, reptiles and fish. Men of all nations came to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, sent by all the kings of the world, who had heard of his wisdom.


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We TaRdED

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This is my first post, so hi. Been lurking for several weeks. I just wanted to say something about this.
Welcome stranger! :clap:

Pretty cool website huh? You can learn to grow Herbs and talk about religion at the same time! HAHA :D

You should check out the political section of RIU too. Lots of good information in there!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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Microdizzey

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Welcome stranger! :clap:

Pretty cool website huh? You can learn to grow Herbs and talk about religion at the same time! HAHA :D

You should check out the political section of RIU too. Lots of good information in there!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
soon to be the most important section on the forums!
 

pamaris

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Welcome stranger! :clap:

Pretty cool website huh? You can learn to grow Herbs and talk about religion at the same time! HAHA :D

You should check out the political section of RIU too. Lots of good information in there!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
Hi, thanks. I have moved away from the USA but still following the politics. Where I am now (UK) the politics are even more hopeless.
 

EarthlyPassions

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Hi, thanks. I have moved away from the USA but still following the politics. Where I am now (UK) the politics are even more hopeless.
I'd be really interested in reading a thread where you compared the two. I'm genuinely curious to know what it's like in other nations from an American perspective.
 

We TaRdED

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I'd be really interested in reading a thread where you compared the two. I'm genuinely curious to know what it's like in other nations from an American perspective.
Yes. Me too!

I heard that a lot of European people are REALLY dissappointed at the EU, even though the EU has a strong currency.



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pamaris

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I'd be really interested in reading a thread where you compared the two. I'm genuinely curious to know what it's like in other nations from an American perspective.
OK... I'll have to let it simmer for a little while so that hopefully it will come out intelligently. I have put a bit of thought into it though. I'll be back with my thoughts.
 
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