So this is how far behind we are in the UK

rnint

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So recentlly there was a petition to legalise weed in the uk, and 200,000 people signed it which I guess is quite a lot for the UK, here was the governments response:

"Substantial scientific evidence shows cannabis is a harmful drug that can damage human health. There are no plans to legalise cannabis as it would not address the harm to individuals and communities.

The latest evidence from the independent Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is that the use of cannabis is a significant public health issue (‘Cannabis Classification and Public Health’, 2008).

Cannabis can unquestionably cause harm to individuals and society. Legalisation of cannabis would not eliminate the crime committed by the illicit trade, nor would it address the harms associated with drug dependence and the misery that this can cause to families.

Legalisation would also send the wrong message to the vast majority of people who do not take drugs, especially young and vulnerable people, with the potential grave risk of increased misuse of drugs.

Despite the potential opportunity offered by legalisation to raise revenue through taxation, there would be costs in relation to administrative, compliance and law enforcement activities, as well as the wider costs of drug prevention and health services.

The UK's approach on drugs remains clear: we must prevent drug use in our communities; help dependent individuals through treatment and wider recovery support; while ensuring law enforcement protects society by stopping the supply and tackling the organised crime that is associated with the drugs trade. The Government will build on the Drugs Strategy by continuing to take a balanced and coherent approach to address the evolving challenges posed.

There are positive signs that the Government’s approach is working: there has been a long term downward trend in drug use over the last decade, and more people are recovering from their dependency now than in 2009/10. The number of adults aged 16-59 using cannabis in the last year in England and Wales has declined over the last decade from 9.6% to 6.7%, with cannabis use amongst young adults aged 16-24 and young people aged 11-15 following a similar pattern."


I already lost my faith in this country a while ago but this blatant lying to the public just pisses me off really, these people shouldnt be governing anyone let alone an entire country, they are incapable of seeing reason or anything. Can't wait to leave man this place and set up a proper life somewhere sane.
 

Harrekin

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So recentlly there was a petition to legalise weed in the uk, and 200,000 people signed it which I guess is quite a lot for the UK, here was the governments response:

"Substantial scientific evidence shows cannabis is a harmful drug that can damage human health. There are no plans to legalise cannabis as it would not address the harm to individuals and communities.

The latest evidence from the independent Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is that the use of cannabis is a significant public health issue (‘Cannabis Classification and Public Health’, 2008).

Cannabis can unquestionably cause harm to individuals and society. Legalisation of cannabis would not eliminate the crime committed by the illicit trade, nor would it address the harms associated with drug dependence and the misery that this can cause to families.

Legalisation would also send the wrong message to the vast majority of people who do not take drugs, especially young and vulnerable people, with the potential grave risk of increased misuse of drugs.

Despite the potential opportunity offered by legalisation to raise revenue through taxation, there would be costs in relation to administrative, compliance and law enforcement activities, as well as the wider costs of drug prevention and health services.

The UK's approach on drugs remains clear: we must prevent drug use in our communities; help dependent individuals through treatment and wider recovery support; while ensuring law enforcement protects society by stopping the supply and tackling the organised crime that is associated with the drugs trade. The Government will build on the Drugs Strategy by continuing to take a balanced and coherent approach to address the evolving challenges posed.

There are positive signs that the Government’s approach is working: there has been a long term downward trend in drug use over the last decade, and more people are recovering from their dependency now than in 2009/10. The number of adults aged 16-59 using cannabis in the last year in England and Wales has declined over the last decade from 9.6% to 6.7%, with cannabis use amongst young adults aged 16-24 and young people aged 11-15 following a similar pattern."


I already lost my faith in this country a while ago but this blatant lying to the public just pisses me off really, these people shouldnt be governing anyone let alone an entire country, they are incapable of seeing reason or anything. Can't wait to leave man this place and set up a proper life somewhere sane.
It's anecdotal at best, but I've never known a time with a higher percentage of the population being cannabis smokers than now here in Ireland.

Similar demographics as Britian so I find a claim of decline to be hugely questionable.
 

rnint

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It's anecdotal at best, but I've never known a time with a higher percentage of the population being cannabis smokers than now here in Ireland.

Similar demographics as Britian so I find a claim of decline to be hugely questionable.
Yeah exactly I mean the amount of people if seen/smelt smoking in my area and they still say its declining, if that were true then in the 2000's we must have had like above 50% smokers cos that's what I see now. They're literally just lying because they know that the truth doesn't get any media attention so they can say what they want and people will assume they are correct, fucking sinful if you ask me
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
So recentlly there was a petition to legalise weed in the uk, and 200,000 people signed it which I guess is quite a lot for the UK, here was the governments response:

"Substantial scientific evidence shows cannabis is a harmful drug that can damage human health. There are no plans to legalise cannabis as it would not address the harm to individuals and communities.

The latest evidence from the independent Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is that the use of cannabis is a significant public health issue (‘Cannabis Classification and Public Health’, 2008).

Cannabis can unquestionably cause harm to individuals and society. Legalisation of cannabis would not eliminate the crime committed by the illicit trade, nor would it address the harms associated with drug dependence and the misery that this can cause to families.

Legalisation would also send the wrong message to the vast majority of people who do not take drugs, especially young and vulnerable people, with the potential grave risk of increased misuse of drugs.

Despite the potential opportunity offered by legalisation to raise revenue through taxation, there would be costs in relation to administrative, compliance and law enforcement activities, as well as the wider costs of drug prevention and health services.

The UK's approach on drugs remains clear: we must prevent drug use in our communities; help dependent individuals through treatment and wider recovery support; while ensuring law enforcement protects society by stopping the supply and tackling the organised crime that is associated with the drugs trade. The Government will build on the Drugs Strategy by continuing to take a balanced and coherent approach to address the evolving challenges posed.

There are positive signs that the Government’s approach is working: there has been a long term downward trend in drug use over the last decade, and more people are recovering from their dependency now than in 2009/10. The number of adults aged 16-59 using cannabis in the last year in England and Wales has declined over the last decade from 9.6% to 6.7%, with cannabis use amongst young adults aged 16-24 and young people aged 11-15 following a similar pattern."


I already lost my faith in this country a while ago but this blatant lying to the public just pisses me off really, these people shouldnt be governing anyone let alone an entire country, they are incapable of seeing reason or anything. Can't wait to leave man this place and set up a proper life somewhere sane.
Come to Colorado! The air is better up here...
 

ttystikk

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Yeah exactly I mean the amount of people if seen/smelt smoking in my area and they still say its declining, if that were true then in the 2000's we must have had like above 50% smokers cos that's what I see now. They're literally just lying because they know that the truth doesn't get any media attention so they can say what they want and people will assume they are correct, fucking sinful if you ask me
FOLLOW THE MONEY; who stand to profit from the current state of affairs?
 

rnint

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Come to Colorado! The air is better up here...
Haha wish I could but I got commitments I need to see through here, when Im done I can move somewhere I'd actually like to be, was thinking vietnam to be honest I miss south east asia man but I wouldnt say no to colorado if the opportunity came up.
 

DST

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It is easy to lie when you use agencies that gather and crunch incorrect data. I majored in Criminology and Economics at University and there are a lot of studies and data that is scewed due to various outside factors and influences (e.g what is considered an actual crime that comes up on statistics! - only reported Crime counts). The recent announcements made by some UK regional police forces is erring on the side of positiveness though.
 

rnint

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Noone does really with nationalised prisons, etc.

It's just a ridiculously illogical exercise in futility.
Yeah it's pathetic really, whatever personal reasons they have for keeping it illegal whether they are embarrassed to say they fucked over about 70,000 people lives per year (considering they arrest about 200,000 a year for drug related offences and they say 3/4 are for cannabis of which 77,000 got off with a warning last year, I think they actually technically said 6.6 out of the 8.8% of the population that they had arrested for drug related offences were for cannabis but yeah thats 3/4. Anyway its just ridiculous how happy they are to piss away money on something so, well, honestly just fucking stupid.
 

rnint

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It is easy to lie when you use agencies that gather and crunch incorrect data. I majored in Criminology and Economics at University and there are a lot of studies and data that is scewed due to various outside factors and influences (e.g what is considered an actual crime that comes up on statistics! - only reported Crime counts). The recent announcements made by some UK regional police forces is erring on the side of positiveness though.
Yeah it has been getting better in small localised area's but that's at the discretion of that particular police force, they have no power really to make that decision technically its just that even they see how stupid this is and they can't be bothered dealing with it when there are actually real crimes going on that society need the police to help us solve. If our politicians would just step into reality for a minute and see that although the whole of the UK is not pro-legalisation yet, they are anti-political bullshit now and nobody trusts politicians, if they want to regain trust and popularity amongst the population they should start by using some common sense and logical, accurate, evidence based policy. Which I'm just saying is majorly lacking in their drug policy amongst other things.
 

ttystikk

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Haha wish I could but I got commitments I need to see through here, when Im done I can move somewhere I'd actually like to be, was thinking vietnam to be honest I miss south east asia man but I wouldnt say no to colorado if the opportunity came up.
I used to live in Saigon when I was a kid. It was great- except for the fact there was a war on...
 

rnint

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I used to live in Saigon when I was a kid. It was great- except for the fact there was a war on...
Damn man that must have been nuts man i grew up in beijing which was pretty cool as well, but yeah i just miss the human touch of society where you can pretty much do things as you want but you'll be held responsible if things go bad or you step on someone else's toes. Here its like you cant do anything unless the government specifically tells you that you can rather than them letting you do what you want unless its noticeably harmful and then in that case stepping in, I mean china's a strange place and theres a lot that the government does thats sketch but despite what everyone here thinks I feel like the UK government controls people waaaaay waaaaay more than china its just its so normal here nobody realises that this amount of legislation isnt common in other places, but here they dont go for you because of your political views (which is definitely a good thing) so people think that they aren't that controlling.
 

ttystikk

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Damn man that must have been nuts man i grew up in beijing which was pretty cool as well, but yeah i just miss the human touch of society where you can pretty much do things as you want but you'll be held responsible if things go bad or you step on someone else's toes. Here its like you cant do anything unless the government specifically tells you that you can rather than them letting you do what you want unless its noticeably harmful and then in that case stepping in, I mean china's a strange place and theres a lot that the government does thats sketch but despite what everyone here thinks I feel like the UK government controls people waaaaay waaaaay more than china its just its so normal here nobody realises that this amount of legislation isnt common in other places, but here they dont go for you because of your political views (which is definitely a good thing) so people think that they aren't that controlling.
Such enforced conformist thinking stunts a society. Singapore isn't exactly a hotbed of innovation, for instance.
 

DST

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yeah although basically every Singaporean kid ive ever met was a genius, theyre just not a very creative society.
I beg to differ. The Singaporeans who are based on a small piece of land at the end of the Malaysian Peninsula have created one of the richest societies in the World. There is so much research (scientific, IT, etc) in Singapore it's unreal (they have money for that sort of thing). I have worked there, spent several years staying there for extended breaks and grew up as a toddler just down the road in Brunei. Just my opinion though.
 

see4

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It's anecdotal at best, but I've never known a time with a higher percentage of the population being cannabis smokers than now here in Ireland.

Similar demographics as Britian so I find a claim of decline to be hugely questionable.
Do you bathe in leprechaun tears while drinking Guinness and smoking the dope? Because that sounds like fun.
 

schuylaar

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So recentlly there was a petition to legalise weed in the uk, and 200,000 people signed it which I guess is quite a lot for the UK, here was the governments response:

"Substantial scientific evidence shows cannabis is a harmful drug that can damage human health. There are no plans to legalise cannabis as it would not address the harm to individuals and communities.

The latest evidence from the independent Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is that the use of cannabis is a significant public health issue (‘Cannabis Classification and Public Health’, 2008).

Cannabis can unquestionably cause harm to individuals and society. Legalisation of cannabis would not eliminate the crime committed by the illicit trade, nor would it address the harms associated with drug dependence and the misery that this can cause to families.

Legalisation would also send the wrong message to the vast majority of people who do not take drugs, especially young and vulnerable people, with the potential grave risk of increased misuse of drugs.

Despite the potential opportunity offered by legalisation to raise revenue through taxation, there would be costs in relation to administrative, compliance and law enforcement activities, as well as the wider costs of drug prevention and health services.

The UK's approach on drugs remains clear: we must prevent drug use in our communities; help dependent individuals through treatment and wider recovery support; while ensuring law enforcement protects society by stopping the supply and tackling the organised crime that is associated with the drugs trade. The Government will build on the Drugs Strategy by continuing to take a balanced and coherent approach to address the evolving challenges posed.

There are positive signs that the Government’s approach is working: there has been a long term downward trend in drug use over the last decade, and more people are recovering from their dependency now than in 2009/10. The number of adults aged 16-59 using cannabis in the last year in England and Wales has declined over the last decade from 9.6% to 6.7%, with cannabis use amongst young adults aged 16-24 and young people aged 11-15 following a similar pattern."


I already lost my faith in this country a while ago but this blatant lying to the public just pisses me off really, these people shouldnt be governing anyone let alone an entire country, they are incapable of seeing reason or anything. Can't wait to leave man this place and set up a proper life somewhere sane.
hasn't made it to KP yet is why..george and charlotte will change this..william and kate (while dabbled, are still semi-into 'the firm')



'did someone say chronic?'

 
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