Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Midwest Weedist

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yeah i think you guys may be right. leaves in the canopy were in areas of 82 +/- a degree. was getting warm down there when i wasn't running the central air for the house. now i have an AC unit so it 80 is the top temp in there now, but typically has been 78 the last 7-10 days. i know once the leaves do that they generally never correct IME. We'll see if the next round does it!
That'll do it! Some strains are cool with heat, other freak out above 78, most strains I run tend to show signs of stress above 82 or so, though negligible like what you're seeing.
 

ShLUbY

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if a plant is nitrogen deficient, will the yellow leaves eventually turn green again, or is the yellowing permanent?
 

4ftRoots

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if a plant is nitrogen deficient, will the yellow leaves eventually turn green again, or is the yellowing permanent?
I feel like because nitrogen is a mobile nutrient it could come back. But in my experience once a leaf yellows you can only stop it from getting more yellow. It does not become green again.
 

ShLUbY

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I feel like because nitrogen is a mobile nutrient it could come back. But in my experience once a leaf yellows you can only stop it from getting more yellow. It does not become green again.
ok. the buds seem like they are developing fine. they are 4 weeks today. i feel that the yellowing has gotten worse on one plant. the other is faring a little better. Starting to see some brown spotting on the worser of the two. i'll throw up a pic in a little while. On a good note i have three 9 pound hammer coming down today and they look really nice. purples coming through on that one beautifully. oh yeah 7 week finisher to boot. fastest i've ever experienced.
 

Joedank

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One unexpected finding of Douds' work at Rodale "is that mycorrhizae can be used to increase the yield of crops even in soils that are very high in phosphorous." Some of the soils at the Rodale Farm which have been heavily composted, Douds notes, "have available P in excess of 300 parts/million"--well above the level at which mycorrhizal responses are typically seen, around 20-50 ppm available P. "The generalization would be that P as high as 300 would be a situation in which the plant can take up all the P that it needs by itself without relying on the mycorrhizal fungi." Douds believes that at high nutrient levels, some of the other benefits of MF--enhanced disease resistance, improved soil aggregation and better water relations--could be showing an effect.

interesting read about growing your own mycos...
http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/depts/NFfield_trials/0903/daviddouds.shtml
 

ShLUbY

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Just made my last purchase for building a proper soil for ROLS. Next week i'll be mixing soil!

Where do you get just sphagnum at? I always see it with the damn pearlite in it.
 

ShLUbY

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cool. I always had a hydro store to shop at lol. I figured someone had to have it around.

Here are the plants (black domino) I've been having some N deficiency with. They are now at 30 days. The yellow leaves have not gained any green back at all. I took off about a dozen leaves off of each plant today that came off easily. the ones that had some tug still I left on even though they are yellow. I think the buds are developing on schedule and I would like to say the problem has been taken care of, but the plants just won't be able to photosynthesize at their full potential. I've given them fish hydrolysate, a boogie brew compost tea, some liquid kelp, coconut water, aloe (not in any particular order). They seem to be relatively happy, leaves are still praying even after a good watering right before these pics. IMG_1954.JPG
 

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Midwest Weedist

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The Tobacco Mosaic Virus:

"Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) is a positive-sense single stranded RNA virus that infects a wide range of plants, especially tobaccoand other members of the family Solanaceae. The infection causes characteristic patterns, such as "mosaic"-like mottling and discoloration on the leaves (hence the name)." -Wiki

My friend just threw out every single one of his plants because it got a hold of his entire room. Now I'm watching mine like a hawk because we've shared cuts, etc.

Anyone have any personal experience with it?
 

st0wandgrow

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The Tobacco Mosaic Virus:

"Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) is a positive-sense single stranded RNA virus that infects a wide range of plants, especially tobaccoand other members of the family Solanaceae. The infection causes characteristic patterns, such as "mosaic"-like mottling and discoloration on the leaves (hence the name)." -Wiki

My friend just threw out every single one of his plants because it got a hold of his entire room. Now I'm watching mine like a hawk because we've shared cuts, etc.

Anyone have any personal experience with it?
Is he sure it was TMV?? There's some debate as to whether cannabis can be infected by it or not. I don't know one way or the other. I've heard that the symptoms from russet mites is very similar to TMV so it could wrongly attributed.

Either way, tossing the plants might not be a bad move. That sucks though
 

Joedank

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@Joedank - I can't find the place where they tell you how to make mycorrhizae.
http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/depts/NFfield_trials/0903/daviddouds.shtml

at the bottom he uses bahia grass with a culture of local and added mycos . i am using glomulus intrdices(misnamed i heard) and carrot roots . then adding the innoculated soil as a top dress:) hope that helps ...
i also have a link to making a boiled rice culture of local mycos captured from the air in a old growth forest (think sequioas)
then allowed to do there thing in your soil:)
 

Midwest Weedist

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Is he sure it was TMV?? There's some debate as to whether cannabis can be infected by it or not. I don't know one way or the other. I've heard that the symptoms from russet mites is very similar to TMV so it could wrongly attributed.

Either way, tossing the plants might not be a bad move. That sucks though
We'll never know 100%. We still have to very much worry about stealth so lab testing isn't an option. But after days of looking through pages of pictures of other plants affected by it and reading the different Studies on it from Google's "scholar" search or whatever , we're fairly certain. Definitely a downer but rather safe than sorry. I have heard the argument that cannabis is unaffected, but I've haven't seen anything saying anything either which way myself either. Well, anything grounded in science that is lol.
 

Joedank

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Myco is in the air we breathe. When roots show up, so do they. Why "inoculate?"
why does korean gardening call for it ? that is where the rice method came from, to add a fungal aspect . they say the fungal aspect is hard to cultivate ... lol...
 
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