LED vs HPS

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Deadlytalon2014

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GIJonas said:
Nice leds are quite good. However you could buy a cheap hps/mh setup for that price that will exceed its performance by a mile IMO.
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I can only veg 3 at a time / flower 3 at a time, With that being said, What would you suggest as the best route ? I am having a hard time finding a bulb / ballast / contactor / timer for a cheap enough comparable price, and I heard the LEDs use less power consumption for equal output
 
testiclees

testiclees

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You should inquire about led in the thread i am new to led.

No one there will recommend the light that you link to.

A good led is not inexpensive.

RIU is home to the best DIY led builders. With a little reading you could build a lamp that will easily outperform HPS, run much cooler and efficiently, produce better bud, and save electricity.
 
bf80255

bf80255

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Deadlytalon2014 said:
Cost wise etc, Which do you suggest ? I was looking at getting this LED light, for the price it seems to fit really well into my budget. Any suggestions for something better for the same price ?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00PH1MQV8&linkCode=as2&tag=christieheavy-20&linkId=T2ZV5MYHTRZ2J6BM
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HPS will cost you about 150-200 for a cheap unit, bout 100 dollars a month to run 12/12 with a 1000W

an LED panel is gunna run upwards of 500 dollars and be about half the strength but will save a lot of energy and last a lot longer.... granted you dont ever feel the need to upgrade even though the LED game is changing every day.

for a newb id suggest HID
 
Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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Deadlytalon2014 said:
Cost wise etc, Which do you suggest ? I was looking at getting this LED light, for the price it seems to fit really well into my budget. Any suggestions for something better for the same price ?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00PH1MQV8&linkCode=as2&tag=christieheavy-20&linkId=T2ZV5MYHTRZ2J6BM
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you can get that very same 300 wat led thru marshydro for 68 dollars with free shipping, would I buy a mars light again, nope, but of all the "mistakes" I made along the way, the cheapy chineese blurple light was not the worst, it does function and you can grow bud, but if your not too late, I would do what testiclees recomends and DIY yourself a cob, a single cxa3070 cob can be build now for right at 70 dollars , and that single cob will rock star over that amazon light, and if you could build 2 of those cobs you would be at where my light is now, come take a look at my current grow and see what 2 cobs can do,, then look at testiclees or others and see what a bigger realy good led panel can do, my friend is building a new cxb 4 cobs light for less than 300 bucks, and its going to put out close to 40,000 lumens , thats pretty equal to a 400 watter HID
 
oilfield bud

oilfield bud

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Tim Fox said:
you can get that very same 300 wat led thru marshydro for 68 dollars with free shipping, would I buy a mars light again, nope, but of all the "mistakes" I made along the way, the cheapy chineese blurple light was not the worst, it does function and you can grow bud, but if your not too late, I would do what testiclees recomends and DIY yourself a cob, a single cxa3070 cob can be build now for right at 70 dollars , and that single cob will rock star over that amazon light, and if you could build 2 of those cobs you would be at where my light is now, come take a look at my current grow and see what 2 cobs can do,, then look at testiclees or others and see what a bigger realy good led panel can do, my friend is building a new cxb 4 cobs light for less than 300 bucks, and its going to put out close to 40,000 lumens , thats pretty equal to a 400 watter HID
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Do you think that 300w mars hydro will work for a 3x3 1/2 mother box?
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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IMOP the 2 main problems you have to deal with when using LED is the light spread (footprint), and light intensity ( getting lumens to the middle of the plant). I would not recommend more than one plant under that one light, but by adding 1 more fixture, you could grow 3 (with training). Side lighting, say 3-26w flouresent lamps would be nice to get some light penetration into the middle of the plant
MH/HPS is a better all around light, but heat is their drawback, and that is a big one in small areas. So, what I would recommend is using a LED for a small grow in a small area where heat is not an issue, and HID for larger areas where you can deal with the heat.
Good luck
 
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kdanna12

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Deadlytalon2014 said:
Cost wise etc, Which do you suggest ? I was looking at getting this LED light, for the price it seems to fit really well into my budget. Any suggestions for something better for the same price ?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00PH1MQV8&linkCode=as2&tag=christieheavy-20&linkId=T2ZV5MYHTRZ2J6BM
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Go with Marshydro much better LED, they may have a larger start up cost but my light runs at 90 degrees and that means no heat problems. I have my marshydro 300w on a couple clones and one plant in early veg and it's great for that. I will be using 2 700w reflector series in my 4x4 tent for the majority of the grow, but initial cost yes LED will cost you more, but with the combination of the life span heat reduction and lesser power usage it will be cheaper in the end. Plus I can't say enough about the penitration of the LED light.
 
Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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I just took my Mars hydro out of my box, the Mars hydro ran to hot, go to led section and look at thread another Mars in the dumpster, none of those three or five watt LED can compete with a hid mh light, the only LED we recommend around here is cob lights, come over to led section and see for yourself
 
Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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kdanna12 said:
Go with Marshydro much better LED, they may have a larger start up cost but my light runs at 90 degrees and that means no heat problems. I have my marshydro 300w on a couple clones and one plant in early veg and it's great for that. I will be using 2 700w reflector series in my 4x4 tent for the majority of the grow, but initial cost yes LED will cost you more, but with the combination of the life span heat reduction and lesser power usage it will be cheaper in the end. Plus I can't say enough about the penitration of the LED light.
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Says the guy with his first post
 
Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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kdanna12 said:
I've seen their ability and I'm not disappointed, it's just a different method than HID lights a requires a slightly different aproach not for all though.
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then sadly you have not seen what real cree cobs can do, its not a differant method, light required by the plant never changes, either you got what is needed or you dont, and those cheapy chinesse lights dont hold a candle to the new cobs, several manufactors of led ligiths like area 51 and optic are switching to the cobs,,, mars needs to get on board with it
 
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D350

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A little more about life expectancy of leds vs hps.
Hps lamps can easly reach 4000-6000h with usable output.
Leds they claim 50.000h, which is bogus. They rate them at very low power. For a good light output you need to crank the leds wattage, which shortens their life expectancy a lot! You ate looking at 5000h max with no serious output degradation for a good quality led. They will work longer, but at severly reduced lumens...
I have looked into leds extensively, but due to cutlrrent costs they are not viable for larger rooms, as they cost too much.
 
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