mike4c4
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Nope not shot down just not willing to cast Perls to the swine. And i gave you the info and source, WHERES YOURS
Male or Hermie?
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Budley Doright
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I asked first lol
Budley Doright
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You seem angry lol.
Budley Doright
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What info, a list of books? thanks for that lol.
Budley Doright
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https://ucanr.edu/repositoryfiles/ca707p12-71852.pdf
Or this
It is possible to store pollen of many species at temperatures between 4°C and –20°C for the short-term. Dry pollen that is kept at between 4°C and –20°C remains viable for a few days to a year, which may be adequate for use in breeding programs (Hanna and Towill 1995).
Long-term viability can be maintained by storing pollen at –80°C or LN temperatures (–196°C) (Hanna and Towill 1995). Once desiccated, pollen can be dispensed into cryovials for long-term storage in LN or LN vapour. Precise labelling of vials and storage locations is recommended to aid in future retrieval of samples. Vials can then be placed in boxes or cryocanes and directly immersed in the liquid or vapour phase of liquid nitrogen (Barnabás and Kovács 1996; Ganeshan et al. 2008; Hanna and Towill 1995; Connor and Towill 1993).
Or this
Pollen can be collected, stored and used even after 3+ years effectively...
It can be used to make a pollenbank with either small or large quantities of pollen.
Pollen can be collected in a few ways ...with a plant in full flower it can be as simple as knocking pollen from the branches into a bowl
heehe
...other ways are to place a clean paper bag over a branch and shake it
...some people tie the paper bag around the branch and collect the pollen th@ has fallen the next day
...simple cardboard or paper can be placed beneath whole male plants in flower...
But it's never QUITE as simple as th@ for the small grower, is it?
...time spent growing a male is time risked in many cases, as well as time and space wasted on a mere male plant, as opposed to the lovely buds the ladies deliver...
But it DOES NOT have to be such a problem!
Collecting pollen is a fun, rewarding and worthwhile experience...first to just get itdone...collecting and saving ones first batch of pollen, but the possibilities th@ open up to one who DOES IT!
...routinely saving pollen from good strains th@ deliver you a male will build a genetic library
...true, it IS a library full of half codes
hehehe but it means th@ in the course of yourcannabis journey, you will find you accumulate quite easily a collection of pollen types
hehehe...
when it's EASY and you are COMFORTABLE doing it, collecting pollen will become something like cracking beans, taking cuttings or growing plants
...the more you do it and become familiar with it, the easier is is to do.
I would also recommend one start a seedbank as well as a pollenbank
...saving genetics is wh@ will leadto newer strains
...and also saving older genetics will keep the genetic BASE of this breeding, strong
Should I go on or have you been fed
Or this
It is possible to store pollen of many species at temperatures between 4°C and –20°C for the short-term. Dry pollen that is kept at between 4°C and –20°C remains viable for a few days to a year, which may be adequate for use in breeding programs (Hanna and Towill 1995).
Long-term viability can be maintained by storing pollen at –80°C or LN temperatures (–196°C) (Hanna and Towill 1995). Once desiccated, pollen can be dispensed into cryovials for long-term storage in LN or LN vapour. Precise labelling of vials and storage locations is recommended to aid in future retrieval of samples. Vials can then be placed in boxes or cryocanes and directly immersed in the liquid or vapour phase of liquid nitrogen (Barnabás and Kovács 1996; Ganeshan et al. 2008; Hanna and Towill 1995; Connor and Towill 1993).
Or this
Pollen can be collected, stored and used even after 3+ years effectively...
It can be used to make a pollenbank with either small or large quantities of pollen.
Pollen can be collected in a few ways ...with a plant in full flower it can be as simple as knocking pollen from the branches into a bowl
...other ways are to place a clean paper bag over a branch and shake it
...some people tie the paper bag around the branch and collect the pollen th@ has fallen the next day
...simple cardboard or paper can be placed beneath whole male plants in flower...
But it's never QUITE as simple as th@ for the small grower, is it?
...time spent growing a male is time risked in many cases, as well as time and space wasted on a mere male plant, as opposed to the lovely buds the ladies deliver...
But it DOES NOT have to be such a problem!
Collecting pollen is a fun, rewarding and worthwhile experience...first to just get itdone...collecting and saving ones first batch of pollen, but the possibilities th@ open up to one who DOES IT!
...routinely saving pollen from good strains th@ deliver you a male will build a genetic library
...true, it IS a library full of half codes
when it's EASY and you are COMFORTABLE doing it, collecting pollen will become something like cracking beans, taking cuttings or growing plants
...the more you do it and become familiar with it, the easier is is to do.
I would also recommend one start a seedbank as well as a pollenbank
...saving genetics is wh@ will leadto newer strains
...and also saving older genetics will keep the genetic BASE of this breeding, strong
Should I go on or have you been fed
Lord Kanti
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I'm getting a couple auto flowers. I'm thinking about dusting a few lower branches to carry on the crop. Would that be viable with photo period genetics?
Budley Doright
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And honestly all I asked for was proof for me so I could see if I was wrong. You failed to provide that proof. Its no big deal really lol. But you should, if giving advise clarify like I did that I had read it so no not proof but it came from science journals not old hippy growers lol.
Budley Doright
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Yes but you would have a mix of auto's and some photos. I believe as I've never tried just read lol.
Lord Kanti
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I'm really excited to have these male genetics. I can't wait to experiment and log my results.
mike4c4
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Again that has nothing to do with cannabis pollen. Most people will have a normal frig. page 18 cannabis breeder bible. And a breeder friend of mine has this to say
hey mate,
yep that powdery stuff is the pollen
i ve been playin around with making seeds/seed lines for a fews years now....here's some info ive collected over time on pollen
once again i cant remember source, however the breeder is refering to cycads but the process or methods are the same for cannabis...
here we go ...
Collection and Storage of Pollen
One of the keys to producing viable seeds is the proper collection of, and if needed, storage of pollen. I try to make sure the pollen I use is viable. I am going to discuss how I go through the whole process. Pollen can stay viable for at least a week or two outside of the refrigerator.
I don't recommend waiting this long because it is important that pollen be as fresh as possible. This will prolong its viability during storage. Using pollen that is older is still better than nothing, if that is all you have to work with. Pollen that has become inviable does no good and wastes time and energy.
Male plants produce the pollen and females produce the seeds. ... tap the top of the cone slightly with my finger to see if the pollen falls out of the cone. If it is a very small cone, it is best to put a piece of paper under the cone to catch any pollen that may fall out. If ANY pollen falls from the cone, (EDIT PlantMan... instead of cone here we talk male cannabis flowers)it is ready to harvest. ...
You will notice that some of the pollen sacs are ruptured when you see that pollen has fallen out. If you don't catch the male cone on its first day releasing pollen, it is best to see how many of the pollen sacs have ruptured. If all the pollen sacs have ruptured, it may be hard to determine when the pollen has been released, and therefore may be inviable. ...
Extremely high temperatures will reduce the viability of pollen. Pollen will continue to shed for approximately five days. I collect the pollen every two days and place it in paper packets I make by folding small pieces of notebook paper and sealing the side and ends with tape. It is important to make sure that the tape covers as little of the surface as possible so that the paper packet can breathe. ...
In order to store pollen for long periods of time, it is important to remove as much of the water content in the pollen as possible. Store the pollen in a glass jar or vial, avoiding plastic bags, which can breathe and are not the best for long-term storage.
To reduce the water content in the pollen, place some desiccant in the bottom of the container. I use an indicating desiccant. When dry this material is blue, and as it absorbs moisture, it turns pink. By using an indicating desiccant, you can tell when it has absorbed all the moisture it can. It is impossible to tell whether regular desiccant is still dry just by looking at it. Once indicating desiccant has absorbed all the moisture possible, it turns pink. Place it in the oven and bake it until it turns blue again. This desiccant can be used over and over again. The amount of desiccant you use depends on the amount of pollen you are trying to dry out. I have found that 1/2 - 1" in the bottom of the container works well. The paper packets are then placed on top of the desiccant.
By using paper packets, which can breathe, the desiccant can do its job. Instead of using one big packet for all of your pollen, place the pollen in small packets so one packet can be removed quickly without disturbing the unused pollen. ... Write the species name and date stored on both sides of the packet so you can tell later on how old the pollen is.
Once I cap the vial, I place it in the refrigerator for two days. I do not place it directly in the freezer because the pollen's moisture content is too high; water expansion can rupture the pollen and render it inviable.
Once the pollen has been in the vial for at least two days, and as long as the paper packet has had enough breathable area, moisture content will be reduced enough for you to put the vial in the freezer. Once the vial is in the freezer, the pollen should be good for years. I have found that pollen will stay very fresh for at least three years.
I know one person who used pollen that had been stored for six years and got a good seed set. I have been told that if pollen were to be stored in liquid nitrogen, it would stay viable forever. Of course this method is not practical for most people. If you collect pollen on separate occasions, but eventually want to keep the pollen in the same container, it is best to store the newer pollen in a different vial and go through the same process in the refrigerator. Once the new pollen is desiccated, the newer packets can be quickly placed in the original container.
When removing packets for use, it is important to minimize the time that the vial is open because the pollen and packets can reabsorb moisture. This is another reason to use several packets instead of removing a small amount of pollen each time from one larger packet. Once you remove a packet, use the pollen as soon as possible.
Pollen loses viability quickly at room temperature and even faster at higher temperatures. Pollen can stay viable at room temperature for several days, but I attempt to maximize its viability so that more good seed is produced in the long run. Just because an entire cone is pollinated does not mean all of the seeds will germinate. Quality of the pollen has a great deal to do with how many seeds in each cone are viable. Another reason to keep moisture content low in pollen is to lessen the chance for fungus to grow on and kill the pollen.
When I send pollen to someone who lives far away, I send it in a vial containing desiccant. This will keep the viability high. If the shipping time will be longer than one week, I add a cold pack to the box, which seems to help. I have been thinking about making a shipping container that would have two compartments.
The inner middle compartment could hold the vial, and the outside compartment could hold ice to keep the vial cooler while shipping. If dry ice were used in the outer compartment, pollen most likely could be shipped anywhere in the world without loss of viability.
...
I hope this information helps everyone store pollen correctly to insure its viability. This is especially important for those who are mailing pollen to others. More and more people are propagating cycads every day, and they are also coordinating their efforts with others by sending pollen to people who do not have male plants. I hope this article will help everyone produce more seeds and, eventually, more cycads...."end qoute...
as you can see its on cycads but essentially all the info and methods can be applied to cannabis..
using this method i have sored pollen and sucessfully pollinated cannabis plants with 2yr old stored pollen ..
it can be very handy to have some stored ready for use, that way seeds can be made if a male is not in flower or you dont have one at a paricular time when a nice female shows up
peace all
2 yr old pollen now thats impressive. He did say there was not many seed as a resalt.
hey mate,
yep that powdery stuff is the pollen
i ve been playin around with making seeds/seed lines for a fews years now....here's some info ive collected over time on pollen
once again i cant remember source, however the breeder is refering to cycads but the process or methods are the same for cannabis...
here we go ...
Collection and Storage of Pollen
One of the keys to producing viable seeds is the proper collection of, and if needed, storage of pollen. I try to make sure the pollen I use is viable. I am going to discuss how I go through the whole process. Pollen can stay viable for at least a week or two outside of the refrigerator.
I don't recommend waiting this long because it is important that pollen be as fresh as possible. This will prolong its viability during storage. Using pollen that is older is still better than nothing, if that is all you have to work with. Pollen that has become inviable does no good and wastes time and energy.
Male plants produce the pollen and females produce the seeds. ... tap the top of the cone slightly with my finger to see if the pollen falls out of the cone. If it is a very small cone, it is best to put a piece of paper under the cone to catch any pollen that may fall out. If ANY pollen falls from the cone, (EDIT PlantMan... instead of cone here we talk male cannabis flowers)it is ready to harvest. ...
You will notice that some of the pollen sacs are ruptured when you see that pollen has fallen out. If you don't catch the male cone on its first day releasing pollen, it is best to see how many of the pollen sacs have ruptured. If all the pollen sacs have ruptured, it may be hard to determine when the pollen has been released, and therefore may be inviable. ...
Extremely high temperatures will reduce the viability of pollen. Pollen will continue to shed for approximately five days. I collect the pollen every two days and place it in paper packets I make by folding small pieces of notebook paper and sealing the side and ends with tape. It is important to make sure that the tape covers as little of the surface as possible so that the paper packet can breathe. ...
In order to store pollen for long periods of time, it is important to remove as much of the water content in the pollen as possible. Store the pollen in a glass jar or vial, avoiding plastic bags, which can breathe and are not the best for long-term storage.
To reduce the water content in the pollen, place some desiccant in the bottom of the container. I use an indicating desiccant. When dry this material is blue, and as it absorbs moisture, it turns pink. By using an indicating desiccant, you can tell when it has absorbed all the moisture it can. It is impossible to tell whether regular desiccant is still dry just by looking at it. Once indicating desiccant has absorbed all the moisture possible, it turns pink. Place it in the oven and bake it until it turns blue again. This desiccant can be used over and over again. The amount of desiccant you use depends on the amount of pollen you are trying to dry out. I have found that 1/2 - 1" in the bottom of the container works well. The paper packets are then placed on top of the desiccant.
By using paper packets, which can breathe, the desiccant can do its job. Instead of using one big packet for all of your pollen, place the pollen in small packets so one packet can be removed quickly without disturbing the unused pollen. ... Write the species name and date stored on both sides of the packet so you can tell later on how old the pollen is.
Once I cap the vial, I place it in the refrigerator for two days. I do not place it directly in the freezer because the pollen's moisture content is too high; water expansion can rupture the pollen and render it inviable.
Once the pollen has been in the vial for at least two days, and as long as the paper packet has had enough breathable area, moisture content will be reduced enough for you to put the vial in the freezer. Once the vial is in the freezer, the pollen should be good for years. I have found that pollen will stay very fresh for at least three years.
I know one person who used pollen that had been stored for six years and got a good seed set. I have been told that if pollen were to be stored in liquid nitrogen, it would stay viable forever. Of course this method is not practical for most people. If you collect pollen on separate occasions, but eventually want to keep the pollen in the same container, it is best to store the newer pollen in a different vial and go through the same process in the refrigerator. Once the new pollen is desiccated, the newer packets can be quickly placed in the original container.
When removing packets for use, it is important to minimize the time that the vial is open because the pollen and packets can reabsorb moisture. This is another reason to use several packets instead of removing a small amount of pollen each time from one larger packet. Once you remove a packet, use the pollen as soon as possible.
Pollen loses viability quickly at room temperature and even faster at higher temperatures. Pollen can stay viable at room temperature for several days, but I attempt to maximize its viability so that more good seed is produced in the long run. Just because an entire cone is pollinated does not mean all of the seeds will germinate. Quality of the pollen has a great deal to do with how many seeds in each cone are viable. Another reason to keep moisture content low in pollen is to lessen the chance for fungus to grow on and kill the pollen.
When I send pollen to someone who lives far away, I send it in a vial containing desiccant. This will keep the viability high. If the shipping time will be longer than one week, I add a cold pack to the box, which seems to help. I have been thinking about making a shipping container that would have two compartments.
The inner middle compartment could hold the vial, and the outside compartment could hold ice to keep the vial cooler while shipping. If dry ice were used in the outer compartment, pollen most likely could be shipped anywhere in the world without loss of viability.
...
I hope this information helps everyone store pollen correctly to insure its viability. This is especially important for those who are mailing pollen to others. More and more people are propagating cycads every day, and they are also coordinating their efforts with others by sending pollen to people who do not have male plants. I hope this article will help everyone produce more seeds and, eventually, more cycads...."end qoute...
as you can see its on cycads but essentially all the info and methods can be applied to cannabis..
using this method i have sored pollen and sucessfully pollinated cannabis plants with 2yr old stored pollen ..
it can be very handy to have some stored ready for use, that way seeds can be made if a male is not in flower or you dont have one at a paricular time when a nice female shows up
peace all
2 yr old pollen now thats impressive. He did say there was not many seed as a resalt.
james murphy
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personally i would chuck it bro..and pollen and flower and a bit of rice to store pollen in the deep freeze has been going on forever..its so simple...talking about it forever is insane. chuck that bruce jenner bro...or keep it and deal w all the shitty possibilities lol
james murphy
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bro
james murphy
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lmao sound like a 18yr old surfer...brah. fkn lemon diesel...destroys me..sry for the rambling
Budley Doright
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Ya it'll be a cool experiment. Good luck and keep us posted.
Budley Doright
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Ok so thats what I've been saying lol! I guess thats your way of saying your wrong and apologizing, I thank you for that!
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mike4c4
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LOL you are such a fucking idot. I dont see anything about cryogenics, or keeping it for decades in my post. I guess you forgot what you said. Ok im done beating this dead dog. happy chuckingOk so thats what I've been saying lol! I guess thats your way of saying your wrong and apologizing, I thank you for that!
Budley Doright
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-30 is not cryogenics fyi.
Budley Doright
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Thats just cold lol and yup I'm the fucking idiot lol, love how brave people are when not standing in front of someone, now that makes me laugh!
mike4c4
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ill roll my chair over there any time