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[greasemonkeymann]

Closed minded hippies? Damn. This is a bit unfair. Maybe you just haven't been meeting the right hippies. And as far as miracle grow. Maybe this is closed minded but not a remote choice for me. Same for any bottles nutrient sources. I do use bio-tone in some cases. Mostly for the bacteria and fungal content.
Some people do strange things. But. Ime there is hands down no comparison between a complete living organic grow and virtually all bottled or premade nutrient sources. But the style of growing can be difficult and takes practice to perfect ones method. And there is a difference between "growing organically".and a true living soil. So. That being said many of us organic hippies don't really care about snything but environmental impact chem weed growing has. With medical and pushed to legalize its going to become a even bigger problem. And hey you may find some people who know what they are doing someday and change your opinion about chems. It is not the "same damn thing, just more readily available for the plants". This is maybe the most untrue statement I've seen in orgsnics section In a long time.

the other thing about this is the fact that they source a good portion of those "organic" nutrients, questionably..
meaning feather meal? Toxic levels of arsenic (which is a shame because feather meal works great)
and bovine bone meal? Go look up madcow disease and prion diseases.
So in that regard the nutrients aren't ideal.
Also, like everyone has said, do you want to give Monsanto money??

 

[bluntmassa1]

Closed minded hippies? Damn. This is a bit unfair. Maybe you just haven't been meeting the right hippies. And as far as miracle grow. Maybe this is closed minded but not a remote choice for me. Same for any bottles nutrient sources. I do use bio-tone in some cases. Mostly for the bacteria and fungal content.
Some people do strange things. But. Ime there is hands down no comparison between a complete living organic grow and virtually all bottled or premade nutrient sources. But the style of growing can be difficult and takes practice to perfect ones method. And there is a difference between "growing organically".and a true living soil. So. That being said many of us organic hippies don't really care about snything but environmental impact chem weed growing has. With medical and pushed to legalize its going to become a even bigger problem. And hey you may find some people who know what they are doing someday and change your opinion about chems. It is not the "same damn thing, just more readily available for the plants". This is maybe the most untrue statement I've seen in orgsnics section In a long time.

Yet it is about the same damn thing organics break down to the same damn chemicals in chemical fertilizers bottled organics are extractions of the chemicals from the compost which makes them chemical nutes. That living shit is about the only thing different about organics but it don't make plants any better than if grown with chemical nutes so it's up to you to decide how much time and money you want to spend feeding plants.

 

[Nullis]

Yet it is about the same damn thing organics break down to the same damn chemicals in chemical fertilizers bottled organics are extractions of the chemicals from the compost which makes them chemical nutes. That living shit is about the only thing different about organics but it don't make plants any better than if grown with chemical nutes so it's up to you to decide how much time and money you want to spend feeding plants.

Um. No. Not at all. As a matter of fact, no microbes break anything down into salts of ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid or diethylenetriaminepentaacetic acid. Bottled organics are not "extractions of the chemicals from the compost". I don't even know where to begin here.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Um. No. Not at all. As a matter of fact, no microbes break anything down into salts of ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid or diethylenetriaminepentaacetic acid. Bottled organics are not "extractions of the chemicals from the compost". I don't even know where to begin here.

So how do they bottle organic nutes? And what different micro and macro nutes are you getting? They all chemicals even H2O.

 

[Nullis]

You're on the verge of a breakthrough, someone just needs to push you down into the rabbit hole. The one thing you have correct is that everything in the world, including me and you and organic amendments, is indeed made up of chemicals (technically substances).

Let's check out the definition of the word chemical:

chem·i·cal
/ˈkemək(ə)l/
adjective​

• • of or relating to chemistry or the interactions of substances as studied in chemistry.

noun​

• • a compound or substance that has been purified or prepared, especially artificially.

Now let's see the definition of the word organic:

or·gan·ic
/ôrˈɡanik/
adjective​

• • of, relating to, or derived from living matter.

"organic soils"
synonyms: living, live, animate, biological, biotic
"organic matter"
​

Why is this important? Well, we discovered that plants absorb minerals in ionic form before we truly realized that soil is alive. We had very little idea as to the nature of the symbiotic relationships fostered between organisms in soil and especially in the rhizosphere. As a matter of fact it wasn't until the electron microscope that any of this came to light and in the past couple of decades researchers were able to paint a better picture of exactly what goes on between plants, microbes and other soil-dwelling organisms. Now we know that it goes beyond simple plant nutrition.

Microbes do break down organic (once living) matter into inorganic mineral ions that plants use as nutrients. They recycle once-living material to feed new life, on demand. This is only the face of it though. Different kinds of microbes do different things for soil and plants themselves. Mycorrhizal fungi are an important example; they actually seek out water and minerals to exchange for carbohydrates in the rhizosphere. They and other symbionts also produce more than just plant usable nutrients. They produce natural chelating agents that makes nutrients more plant available. They go so far as to produce antimicrobial compounds and substances that stimulate plant growth. Even beyond that they help keep nutrients in the rhizosphere where plants can use them, both by producing humus and by keeping nutrients stored in their bodies. Otherwise the nutrients would simply wash away.

Plant roots secrete substances called root exudates precisely to cater to and control to an extent the types of microbes that live in their rhizosphere. All of that "living shit" is quite important, especially where the health of our planet and the soil outside is concerned. Without these kinds of interactions our planet would be lifeless. If that doesn't mean anything to you I don't know what to tell you.

 

[green_machine_two9er]

You're on the verge of a breakthrough, someone just needs to push you down into the rabbit hole. The one thing you have correct is that everything in the world, including me and you and organic amendments, is indeed made up of chemicals (technically substances).

Let's check out the definition of the word chemical:

chem·i·cal
/ˈkemək(ə)l/
adjective​

• • of or relating to chemistry or the interactions of substances as studied in chemistry.

noun​

• • a compound or substance that has been purified or prepared, especially artificially.

Now let's see the definition of the word organic:

or·gan·ic
/ôrˈɡanik/
adjective​

• • of, relating to, or derived from living matter.

"organic soils"
synonyms: living, live, animate, biological, biotic
"organic matter"
​

Why is this important? Well, we discovered that plants absorb minerals in ionic form before we truly realized that soil is alive. We had very little idea as to the nature of the symbiotic relationships fostered between organisms in soil and especially in the rhizosphere. As a matter of fact it wasn't until the electron microscope that any of this came to light and in the past couple of decades researchers were able to paint a better picture of exactly what goes on between plants, microbes and other soil-dwelling organisms. Now we know that it goes beyond simple plant nutrition.

Microbes do break down organic (once living) matter into inorganic mineral ions that plants use as nutrients. They recycle once-living material to feed new life, on demand. This is only the face of it though. Different kinds of microbes do different things for soil and plants themselves. Mycorrhizal fungi are an important example; they actually seek out water and minerals to exchange for carbohydrates in the rhizosphere. They and other symbionts also produce more than just plant usable nutrients. They produce natural chelating agents that makes nutrients more plant available. They go so far as to produce antimicrobial compounds and substances that stimulate plant growth. Even beyond that they help keep nutrients in the rhizosphere where plants can use them, both by producing humus and by keeping nutrients stored in their bodies. Otherwise the nutrients would simply wash away.

Plant roots secrete substances called root exudates precisely to cater to and control to an extent the types of microbes that live in their rhizosphere. All of that "living shit" is quite important, especially w here the health of our planet and the soil outside is concerned. Without these kinds of interactions our planet would be lifeless. If that doesn't mean anything to you I don't know what to tell you.

Exactly. First fact of any bottled "organic " nutrient. Well its a bottled nutrient. Marketed by large companies to people who like the word organic. But by no means is te same as a living soil environment. Which. Doesn't mean nectar for te gods doesn't produce some dank smoke. But still not the same level. I feel like organic bottled nutes are like buying gluten free steak. Pointless.