I need to get this off my chest

[Dr. Who]

@nizmo

Welcome to the internet.....Now just wait till some whippersnapper tells you he's screwing your mother because he didn't like your answer to him saying he grows "organic" with AN and Botanicare +......

 

[Bumwhush]

I've been amazed at how much wrong information has come from moderators on this site, especially in a lot of the older threads. When new growers read this type of misinformation and it's coming from people who you believe should be knowledgeable, it perpetuates a system of bad information. One thing I've learned in all the online information dealing with cannabis horticulture is that 95% of it is pointless tips or scams to get you to buy their sponsor's products. As with any thing that is online, you need to take it with a grain of salt and research multiple sources, online and offline.

 

[TriPurple]

I think you get good info here. Each thread has at least one educated response, usually several.

 

[Bugeye]

If somebody jumps on here and runs with the first bad recommendation they get...fuck 'em! It's up to the grower to do some due diligence and verify information. When I was learning to grow I didn't have internet forums to jump on and get information. It sometimes took me multiple grows to figure out shit you can learn in an evening now. Growers that fly by the seat of their pants without doing proper research deserve to get their asses handed to them. Good life lesson!

That being said, yeah...lots of bad info here.

 

[2Hearts]

Everyone grows different, some of this stuff does hold some water. But it takes a completely 100% dialed in grow and perfect understanding of the strain you are going to see the benefits, if there is any. I don't see how dumping cold water on a plant does anything other than change it's colour, but maybe I'm wrong. I know I have seen many a grow of expertly defoliated plants producing monster baseball bat buds. Could they have done it without defoliating? They say not, I'll take their experience and pictures of their success as evidence it may be viable.

A lot of this advice given has absolutely no photographic evidence. I've never seen a plant picture of before/after darkness periods do anything other than change colours. I've read some users state that perhaps a dark period would burn threw more of the plant starch reserves and lead to a smoother smoke. That certainly seems more plausible than additional visible trichome production. As has been pointed out countless times how would the new trichomes be at the peak potency like we look for when harvesting our plants?

These aren't techniques for noobs. Telling someone new to strip leaves off their plant is bad advice, just as telling someone new to put a plant in darkness for 5 days is bad advice. There are a lot of things to consider with this stuff that someone new won't take into account because they don't know any better. I've been growing this plant only for a few years, I can grow it, but hardly consider myself anywhere near an expert. I get decent results, but I don't feel I've reached the absolute peak of my gardening abilities. Maybe when I am a pro I'll try some dark periods, nails threw the stem bullshittery Ice water feedings and other witch doctor magic to make my great weed super weed.

Right now sitting in my ivory tower I spit on these ideas as tomfoolery

There's a few sections of this site where people use google to make themselves out to be something they are not, they confuse people who are new and ignorant into believing everything they say. Things that will negatively impact others gardens. This has been a problem since before I joined and will most likely be a problem long after I am gone. I just wish users were allowed to call these people out as the dangers to the community that they are without repercussions. If someone is being a fucking dangerous idiot they need to be told that, and if they continue they need to be shunned to toke and talk so they can try and bullshit the bullshitters.

I cant remember which members did the original threads but adding ice to the roots at the end of flowering was a method based on science.

It supposedly makes the roots seal themselves off then the only nutrition the plant had access to was its leaves hence it technically flushed itself. A technique that was well known at some point.

I agree with op but its only somthing you change by all working together

 

[tyke1973]

You will get to know the people who know there stuff,if you see something that does not sound right then chip in. I agree with you 100% though there is a lot of key board grower's if you do not know the answer to a question been asked then just do not comment.i would go out my way to help any one growing ,but it's hard because the plant is the easy bit getting the room perfect is the hard part.

 

[Moonwalk]

It's all too technical to me... You don't hear tomato growers using that complexity of nutrients.

I've tried to grow in the past with zero success. But I put mine in dirt this year, a little miracle grow, and they are ten feet tall and prettier than a lot of the ones I've seen. Like someone on here said, it isn't rocket science.

I take the "average" on answers. If there are ten, and seven people say this way, and three say that way, I go with the seven. And then do my own thing anyway. Everyone has different soil, water, environment, strain... What works for Jim might not work for Bob.

 

[rob333]

Ok i have been browsing this forum a long time and if there is one thing i have noticed that really annoys me it's the amount of absolute rubbish that is spouted on almost every single thread i read.

Its not just these forums, its all of them. I see legitimate questions being asked, and then i see people who CLEARLY have no idea what they are talking about recommending things that are not only wrong but are down right damaging.

2 classic examples;

"Yeah bro, you want to cut off all of those big fan leaves so that the light can better penetrate the canopy and you are getting maximum light to your plant".
This makes me laugh every time, and it also makes me feel so sorry for the people who actually take that advice.

"You want to stress your plant before harvest because it thinks its going to die and so it makes heaps more trichomes and becomes more potent".
Bullshit. A healthy plant is what produces quality buds. Why don't you see if you can find some professional growers who go around snapping and beating their plants and watering with freezing cold water leading up to harvest.

What happens is, someone will post a question, and then you have a bunch of people coming up with solutions or ideas based on what they think sounds reasonable to them (nothing based off practical experience or scientific evidence, just straight broscience) which is almost always wrong. Just because something sounds reasonable to you, does not make it a fact and it does not make it a worthy addition to the forums. Before you post, check your facts.

tissue ?

 

[2Hearts]

It's all too technical to me... You don't hear tomato growers using that complexity of nutrients.

I've tried to grow in the past with zero success. But I put mine in dirt this year, a little miracle grow, and they are ten feet tall and prettier than a lot of the ones I've seen. Like someone on here said, it isn't rocket science.

I take the "average" on answers. If there are ten, and seven people say this way, and three say that way, I go with the seven. And then do my own thing anyway. Everyone has different soil, water, environment, strain... What works for Jim might not work for Bob.

Comercial hydro tom growers would disagree, they are at the forefront of technical advancement.

Just cause soil, water variables are different dosent mean we couldnt work out calmag ratios et etc.

Its not rocket science your right but its certainly not guess work either. With the resources of all the growers here its a shame we cant be more like commercial hydroponic tomato growers but i guess there not stoned all the time...

 

[Dr. Who]

Comercial hydro tom growers would disagree, they are at the forefront of technical advancement.

Just cause soil, water variables are different dosent mean we couldnt work out calmag ratios et etc.

Its not rocket science your right but its certainly not guess work either. With the resources of all the growers here its a shame we cant be more like commercial hydroponic tomato growers but i guess there not stoned all the time...

They may well be for the EU, as most EU tomato's are hydro grown in Holland.

 

[ttystikk]

Comercial hydro tom growers would disagree, they are at the forefront of technical advancement.

Just cause soil, water variables are different dosent mean we couldnt work out calmag ratios et etc.

Its not rocket science your right but its certainly not guess work either. With the resources of all the growers here its a shame we cant be more like commercial hydroponic tomato growers but i guess there not stoned all the time...

I use dry nutrient salts developed for commercial hydroponic tomato operations. Coincidence?

 

[ttystikk]

They may well be for the EU, as most EU tomato's are hydro grown in Holland.

Most here in the States are, too. The vast majority of tomatoes grown for sale are hydroponic- from plants that live up to three years... which should tell you that they're grown in climate controlled greenhouses and not outdoors.

 

[ttystikk]

One more issue related to this is that some of us ARE doing interesting, original research... at least, original to us. @torontoke recently did a thread about an experiment he ran using six hours of light and eighteen in the dark. His thread was FULL of assholes telling him he was an idiot and was wasting his time, blah blah blah... and the thread was clearly about doing it as an experiment, NOT as a suggested growing strategy!

Lots of us are doing what would otherwise require university studies- because universities won't take research from any but their own, another racket!- and some truly impressive advances have already come from such experimentation.

I do a lot of work with water chilling, and I'm regularly getting comments about how I must be a moron- from some punk who just asked what a fucking minisplit IS a day earlier! Thick skin, those who want to know will make themselves known from the crowd of knowitalls.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

"I do a lot of work with water chilling"

Yeah man I love that stuff! Like floating around in the water on an inner tube or kayaking! Love that shit plus respect bro!

Q? So what the fuck is a mini split? Thx.

 

[*BUDS]

What do you expect its the internet? millions of opinions most wrong. If you want to be a successful pro grower you need to dial in you way of doing it which is simple with little chance of a fuckup. If something goes wrong work it out yourself, think ,it will come to you and you will then learn from the fuckup, hands on and not repeat it. Dont go online and ask some random person who 80% of the time are way off the mark with their 'help' compounding the issue.
Read all grow info from reputable pro growers on ROLLITUP eg Doublejj , Alb fuct, Uncle ben, Fdd2blk .

 

[ttystikk]

Yeah man I love that stuff! Like floating around in the water on an inner tube or kayaking! Love that shit plus respect bro!

Q? So what the fuck is a mini split? Thx.

It's where you get your cheerleader girlfriend to do the splits in her miniskirt, what else?! Geez! NOOBS these days!

 

[Dr. Who]

One more issue related to this is that some of us ARE doing interesting, original research... at least, original to us. @torontoke recently did a thread about an experiment he ran using six hours of light and eighteen in the dark. His thread was FULL of assholes telling him he was an idiot and was wasting his time, blah blah blah... and the thread was clearly about doing it as an experiment, NOT as a suggested growing strategy!

Lots of us are doing what would otherwise require university studies- because universities won't take research from any but their own, another racket!- and some truly impressive advances have already come from such experimentation.

I do a lot of work with water chilling, and I'm regularly getting comments about how I must be a moron- from some punk who just asked what a fucking minisplit IS a day earlier! Thick skin, those who want to know will make themselves known from the crowd of knowitalls.

Here, here !!! Like the guy that said all UV is stopped by the ozone layer in my UVB test results posting.

What do you expect its the internet? millions of opinions most wrong. If you want to be a successful pro grower you need to dial in you way of doing it which is simple with little chance of a fuckup. If something goes wrong work it out yourself, think ,it will come to you and you will then learn from the fuckup, hands on and not repeat it. Dont go online and ask some random person who 80% of the time are way off the mark with their 'help' compounding the issue.
Read all grow info from reputable pro growers on ROLLITUP eg Doublejj , Alb fuct, Uncle ben, Fdd2blk .

It gets ponderous though.....Ben's not into it like before.....your skin can be only so deep.....Just look at the negative replies to him... He's told me himself that it's like talking to a wall.....multiple walls and they just keep coming..

What do you say to some schmuck who claims he's running organic because the gods AN and Botanicare use "organic sources" for the bulk of the refined nutrients in the bottle......."Ah gee, sorry there dude but those are not organic anymore".......You get tired of replies about relations with your mother and your sexual orientation......Finally you "blow up" in multiple frustrations and you get an ,, Oh say, attitude adjustment from the powers above.....

You begin to burn out on questions like "why are my plants yellowing in flower and flushing and pH of soil and, and, and, etc"...Shit, I don't even read the whole question anymore when I see "CFL" in it......

What happened to learning something BEFORE you try doing it!

For gods sake, I've gotten tired of trying to be polite and suggest books......But I still do.....it's that 1 or 2 that actually say thank you
that keep me going on things I kinda want to avoid......But your right.....piles of dog shit answers to simple questions......That just gets me to answer to actually try and help....

Doc

 

[Dr. Who]

Yeah man I love that stuff! Like floating around in the water on an inner tube or kayaking! Love that shit plus respect bro!

Q? So what the fuck is a mini split? Thx.

A minisplit is a cheap central AC/Heat unit......here check this out...



The thing is my new 420 friendly HAVAC guy who installed my "real" furnace and central AC in my new building says - - "I have a minisplit in my grow and if you don't keep it very clean you loose to much and it's not efficient. I'm changing to a 2ton Rheem Furnace/Central AC like you got, next spring".

I looked REAL close at them......I picked the Furnace/AC over it for cost and effectiveness over the long term...

If your running tent(s) in a room or renting this is a good choice as it can move with you very easy!

Wholesale to the public Heating and Cooling units here -

http://www.budgetheating.com/

If your going to buy a minisplit......Mitsubishi or nothing.....The best and longest lasting bar none


Doc

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

What do you expect its the internet? millions of opinions most wrong. If you want to be a successful pro grower you need to dial in you way of doing it which is simple with little chance of a fuckup. If something goes wrong work it out yourself, think ,it will come to you and you will then learn from the fuckup, hands on and not repeat it. Dont go online and ask some random person who 80% of the time are way off the mark with their 'help' compounding the issue.
Read all grow info from reputable pro growers on ROLLITUP eg Doublejj , Alb fuct, Uncle ben, Fdd2blk .

I think I remember the dude "alb fukt" from way back in the day. Dude I am thinking of used to do like a basement perpetual. Run clones through like a 10 week harvest and harvested each gen like every couple of weeks. He was def incredible. But, I can't find him anywhere. Can you link him up? May not be the same guy I am thinking about. But.......

 

[2Hearts]

Tomato growerrs make us look like chumps, most of their hardcore experiments use modified Hoagland solutions and they often use four different growing media to standardize results.

If a tomato grower wants to study calcium he will use ro water and modify a hoagland solution so he can work out the difference between dry weight of plants at 0.1ec intervals of calcium chloride.

Hec were still scratching our heads as to wether we need calmag or not but a tomato grower will give you an exact ec based on grow media, base water and whats already in your ferts, maths and chemistry are a strong point here.

What Al B Fuct did was add some standardization to rockwool clones its just a shame more didnt come out of his work.

Rep++ to anyone trying to experiment and get some workable variables.