Sell me on switching to LED

[Coco0503]

Yo! I'm almost done with my first grow in a 2x2 tent with a dinky 150w HPS light and am looking to upgrade. I am seriously considering the switch to LED grow lights. I've been pretty overwhelmed in deciding whether to just get a 250hps light or making the dive and grabbing either a 150 or 300 LED.

I am also upgrading to a 4x4 within the next few months and am wondering if I should get a 600w HPS/MH digital light or an LED for that tent as well.

Any advise is greatly appreciated and particular product recommendations would also be of great help.

 

[Abiqua]

I would stick with your gut on both your choices....LED's when properly selected are great....they deliver photons and well....However, there is a lot of front end cost loaded into the purchase, few commercial offerings and Tons of make a buck companies on top....

A 250w is cheap for a 2x2 and a 600w will do fine in a 4x4 if not the corners....Get educated by reading over in the LED forum....then make a decision down the road.....my $.02

[disclaimer: I run all LED and build my own fixtures and for others....I am about to run 150 watts in a 2x2 of 45% efficient LED and I really want to try a 250w HPS down the road in the same space for comparison, because I think the 150 will outyield it...]

Unless you really know your wiring and diode selection and electronics in general, I highly suggest just saving your money and going HPS, the price is really too good to pass up in most cases, but NOT all , some don't give a shit either way and want High Efficiency LED and no matter the cost

 

[Coco0503]

Thanks for your advice! I have been looking into the Platinum LED P150 or P300 for my 2x2 tent. Do you know anything about this brand or model? They are pricey but seem widely purchased.

 

[Abiqua]

Thanks for your advice! I have been looking into the Platinum LED P150 or P300 for my 2x2 tent. Do you know anything about this brand or model? They are pricey but seem widely purchased.

To me they fall into "Make a Buck" kind of company....

Old diode tech...works, but ultimately it comes down to #'s, their efficiency is substantially less Watt for Watt than HPS, let alone good quality diodes....

Area 51 makes the W90....Two of them would kill the 2x2.... probably about the same price as the Platinum and way better quality imho.....

Platinum WILL NOT provide a datasheet for the diodes they are using, 1st Red Flag....The companies that are worth a damn are touting the diodes they use...NOT hiding them and making ambiguous claims aka Platinum and others....

 

[testiclees]

Yo! I'm almost done with my first grow in a 2x2 tent with a dinky 150w HPS light and am looking to upgrade. I am seriously considering the switch to LED grow lights. I've been pretty overl.p.whelmed in deciding whether to just get a 250hps light or making the dive and grabbing either a 150 or 300 LED.

I am also upgrading to a 4x4 within the next few months and am wondering if I should get a 600w HPS/MH digital light or an LED for that tent as well.


Any advise is greatly appreciated and particular product recommendations would also be of great help.

You can get some good ideas looking through the threads here:

Thanks for your advice! I have been looking into the Platinum LED P150 or P300 for my 2x2 tent. Do you know anything about this brand or model? They are pricey but seem widely purchased.

Platinum has a thread on RIU that details their slimy practices, shitty pricing and outright lies.

 

[hellmutt bones]

I was also hoping that someone in a nother thread would sell me on them but most in that thread got all defensive and started name calling. But all in all like another member said its the cost vs the efficiency bottom line.

 

[GrowinDad]

I grow all LED (A51) an would not go back. Once I got everything dialled in, it works great. NO heat. No ballasts. No big electricity pulls. I converted from CFL a couple years ago so can't compare to HID.

For cost, I looked at it vs buying weed so payoff is after one run. I think it is a matter of choice and many are just haters. It does cost more upfront for sure, and it is a question of what is best for tbe individual grower.

 

[BobCajun]

I would pick up a 240 watt CXB high-bay, 4000k color. They're about $500.

 

[Coco0503]

You guys are great. I love it here haha

Thank you all so much! You've given me a lot to research.

 

[Darth Vapour]

I was also hoping that someone in a nother thread would sell me on them but most in that thread got all defensive and started name calling. But all in all like another member said its the cost vs the efficiency bottom line.

The problem i only see and everyone should is??? the efficiency bubble but when you really break it down its lame and meaning less really . Your right they get really defensive cause they are hard headed and into there pockets to deep to actually admit they screwed up does LED grow for sure is it more efficient well we can break it down for instance 1000 watt gets a good grower 3 pounds @ 2200.00 a pound so that is 6600.00 dollars even i it cost you 100 a month to run which it doesn't but lets say it did vegged 5 weeks not even 2 months but hey lets round up 200 bucks for veg and and another 200 for flower a wooping 400 bucks to make 6600 dollars
subtract all costs from money made and your still laughing now you got this 1000 watt equivalent LED unit which many LED companies claim that is 1k hid replacement comes in short i mean really short ..
so lets break this down 50 percent less power used ok 50 bucks a month now 5 weeks vegged 75 bucks same thing applies for flower 8 weeks 100 bucks so total cost 175 bucks to make a pound may be 1.5 pounds again half the yield and i am being nice usually there lucky to make a pound. Reason light coverage with such a small unit your not going to veg 25 plants in 5 gallon buckets more like couple and with less penetration means less product lets face it couple oz off a plant its takes lots of buds to make a pound
So if your running a business is saving money on power really being effcient ??? for that much less product and sales ??? seriously
LED companies use the spectrums as a sales pitch bringing you better quality FACT is that in reality its not the quality of light but the amount of light that the plants get any good grower will tell you that or warehouse grower
Its no different then saying what will grow a plant faster 20 watts per sq foot of good spectrum or 60 watts per with wide spectrum trust me take the 60 watts per
And thats the problem today you need multiple led lights to compete with 1 k hid so its apples and oranges
1215 watt nanolux DE 415 bucks and how much of led units to come close 1200 - 2000 ??? and then don;t forget with more led power there number one sales gimmic is it runs colder lol sorry your going to need cooling and fans cause a watt is a watt and heat is heat all electrical components create heat dont be fooled go touch the bottom of your pc

 

[PSUAGRO.]

I would pick up a 240 watt CXB high-bay, 4000k color. They're about $500.

100lm/w for that old cxb high bay................250w hps is slightly more efficient and way cheaper.

 

[innerG]

600w HPS/MH would fit the 4x4 tent really well for $150

http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK600GW19-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B004L3AQ1U

 

[Coco0503]

So after looking around I think I will be grabbing the 120w Vero by Optic Grow Lights for the 2x2 tent to replace my 150w HPS. I also love that they offer 6 month financing through paypal.

I will likely be grabbing a 600w HPS for the 4x4 at first to make it easier on my wallet but if I'm happy with my first LED grow I might upgrade to the CX300 by Pacific Light Concept at some point or a higher watt Vero. Any thoughts on this?

You guys have been a great help. Thank you for dissuading me from getting garbage lights!

 

[BobCajun]

Yes, HID is cheaper, but it's a harsher light and the spectrum is less broad. They're not healthy to work around really, due to the UV, IR and the EM fields that electric arcs give off. And you've got toxic waste to deal with after they need changing. They're fragile. LEDs solve all those problems and plants seem to like them and look generally healthier. I figure it's better not to scrimp and take a less desirable product just to save money. Quality costs more, that's all.

 

[Abiqua]

The problem i only see and everyone should is??? the efficiency bubble but when you really break it down its lame and meaning less really . Your right they get really defensive cause they are hard headed and into there pockets to deep to actually admit they screwed up does LED grow for sure is it more efficient well we can break it down for instance 1000 watt gets a good grower 3 pounds @ 2200.00 a pound so that is 6600.00 dollars even i it cost you 100 a month to run which it doesn't but lets say it did vegged 5 weeks not even 2 months but hey lets round up 200 bucks for veg and and another 200 for flower a wooping 400 bucks to make 6600 dollars
subtract all costs from money made and your still laughing now you got this 1000 watt equivalent LED unit which many LED companies claim that is 1k hid replacement comes in short i mean really short ..
so lets break this down 50 percent less power used ok 50 bucks a month now 5 weeks vegged 75 bucks same thing applies for flower 8 weeks 100 bucks so total cost 175 bucks to make a pound may be 1.5 pounds again half the yield and i am being nice usually there lucky to make a pound. Reason light coverage with such a small unit your not going to veg 25 plants in 5 gallon buckets more like couple and with less penetration means less product lets face it couple oz off a plant its takes lots of buds to make a pound
So if your running a business is saving money on power really being effcient ??? for that much less product and sales ??? seriously
LED companies use the spectrums as a sales pitch bringing you better quality FACT is that in reality its not the quality of light but the amount of light that the plants get any good grower will tell you that or warehouse grower
Its no different then saying what will grow a plant faster 20 watts per sq foot of good spectrum or 60 watts per with wide spectrum trust me take the 60 watts per
And thats the problem today you need multiple led lights to compete with 1 k hid so its apples and oranges
1215 watt nanolux DE 415 bucks and how much of led units to come close 1200 - 2000 ??? and then don;t forget with more led power there number one sales gimmic is it runs colder lol sorry your going to need cooling and fans cause a watt is a watt and heat is heat all electrical components create heat dont be fooled go touch the bottom of your pc

Yield means DICK if it smokes like schwag and your shitty grammer makes the rest unintelligible.....

All about the photons and their delivery system. Efficiency and efficacy mean something, especially to those who can spell

 

[Darth Vapour]

Yes, HID is cheaper, but it's a harsher light and the spectrum is less broad. They're not healthy to work around really, due to the UV, IR and the EM fields that electric arcs give off. And you've got toxic waste to deal with after they need changing. They're fragile. LEDs solve all those problems and plants seem to like them and look generally healthier. I figure it's better not to scrimp and take a less desirable product just to save money. Quality costs more, that's all.

Toxic waste lol like nuclear waste right lol cmon bro every corner now has a eco station
I take it you grow with LED ??? could you be so kind to post up your generally healthy plants i think your out to lunch a little but hey i can show you you picture here 10 day old girls from rooted clones looks pretty healthy to me you got any 10 day from clone pictures at all ??? how big are they ??? here end of 3 week vegged as well please pretty please post us your LED grown plant being its much healthier should be so much bigger

 

[Darth Vapour]

Yield means DICK if it smokes like schwag and your shitty grammer makes the rest unintelligible.....

All about the photons and their delivery system. Efficiency and efficacy mean something, especially to those who can spell

coming from a closet grower by the way i see you started your thread when ??? still nothing growing ?? and its end of sept sit down son you might learn something and ask your mom to call me when she gets home
i should rephrase that coming from a person that is growing in what size box ??? and using what looks to me a hps what 150 watt of course in your world yields mean dick when you do not make any yields tell me how is the swag you smoke you no that nice fluffy stuff in your box grow

 

[Coco0503]

Rollitup can be pretty helpful but yall are savages hahaha

 

[Darth Vapour]

Rollitup can be pretty helpful but yall are savages hahaha

lol yup like i said LED does grow but when people start using the spectrum is going to get you better product or quality ,, that is when enough is enough spectrums help plant growth in all its stages has nothing to do with quality that comes with strain same thing applies for yields you can have a og strain that yields nothing or a Critical kush that will yield you out of this world

 

[Abiqua]

coming from a closet grower by the way i see you started your thread when ??? still nothing growing ?? and its end of sept sit down son you might learn something and ask your mom to call me when she gets home
i should rephrase that coming from a person that is growing in what size box ??? and using what looks to me a hps what 150 watt of course in your world yields mean dick when you do not make any yields tell me how is the swag you smoke you no that nice fluffy stuff in your box grow

Hells to the Yes