Ttystikk's vertical goodness

ttystikk

ttystikk

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HockeyBeard said:
I've been hearing about this method. You get 140ish% more canopy space in the same area with this technique as you do horizontal.
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Aisles and walkways are not optional, yet somehow never make it into people's calculations:

I ran a 16'x11' room flatlander style under 8kW of HPS in Magnum Ocho hoods, double barrel style. I had four screens, 7'x3.5' each, so I could get around them. This worked out to about 100 ft² of actual trellis area.

Vertically, I can put as much as 360 ft² in the same room. The challenge then becomes lighting and cooling it!
 
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chinuh man

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I am very intrigued sir. I like how everyone was stating this was clearly a waste of time at the beginning of the thread.

My first question (seeing as how I am in the process of putting together my first grow setup) is for this type of method you must use sativa dominant strains... correct? or gain you also grow indica's like this efficiently?
 
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chinuh man said:
I am very intrigued sir. I like how everyone was stating this was clearly a waste of time at the beginning of the thread.

My first question (seeing as how I am in the process of putting together my first grow setup) is for this type of method you must use sativa dominant strains... correct? or gain you also grow indica's like this efficiently?
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Some strains don't do well, but they tend to be the scraggly ones. Indicas grow just fine as long as the structure allows it. The key is getting them big enough.

I remember a lot of people telling me that. My instincts said different, so I got busy.
 
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chinuh man

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so how long would you typically veg before flowering. And what light do you currently use? the reason I ask is because I have seen you in the diy led cob threads and I am curious to know if you have built a cob vertical light for your setup?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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chinuh man said:
so how long would you typically veg before flowering. And what light do you currently use? the reason I ask is because I have seen you in the diy led cob threads and I am curious to know if you have built a cob vertical light for your setup?
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Two to three months, including rooting the clones.

Currently using the Philips 860W CDM lamp on the only ballast it can use, a thousand watt magnetic ballast set to MH. Cheap, lol

No, I haven't. I'm just now researching how to try something like that.
 
heckler73

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ttystikk said:
Two to three months, including rooting the clones.

Currently using the Philips 860W CDM lamp on the only ballast it can use, a thousand watt magnetic ballast set to MH. Cheap, lol

No, I haven't. I'm just now researching how to try something like that.
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That's funny. As I was reading this page I wondered that, too, "How would LEDs fare in this style?" :lol:
Port the heat through a tube, fan on top. Basically build like a "Corn Cob", scaled up. Use a piece of extruded aluminum hollow-structure, like Doer's liquid-cooled light-bar. Cut-out sections to pass cooling fins into the tube. There will still be a gradient of heat, though, but it should be manageable with sufficient airflow.
 
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chinuh man

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Have you brought the specs to @SupraSPL ? lol I'm sure you have enough calculations for him to tell you how to make the most perfect ppfd and energy efficient light possible for your setup. I think you just made me rethink my whole setup.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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heckler73 said:
That's funny. As I was reading this page I wondered that, too, "How would LEDs fare in this style?" :lol:
Port the heat through a tube, fan on top. Basically build like a "Corn Cob", scaled up. Use a piece of extruded aluminum hollow-structure, like Doer's liquid-cooled light-bar. Cut-out sections to pass cooling fins into the tube. There will still be a gradient of heat, though, but it should be manageable with sufficient airflow.
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Heat is actually one of the biggest issues. I've been doing some thinking on that, too.
 
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chinuh man

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nothing some liquid cooling can't fix. your heat issues stem from the type of lights used. Cobs would eliminate any heat issue. Like Heckler said a fan on top in a cylinder shaped piece of aluminum. All the heatsinks inside... maybe even another fan on the bottom as I'm sure it will still hang from the ceiling rather than mount to the floor. Liquid cooling probably wouldn't even come into play.
 
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ttystikk

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chinuh man said:
nothing some liquid cooling can't fix. your heat issues stem from the type of lights used. Cobs would eliminate any heat issue. Like Heckler said a fan on top in a cylinder shaped piece of aluminum. All the heatsinks inside... maybe even another fan on the bottom as I'm sure it will still hang from the ceiling rather than mount to the floor. Liquid cooling probably wouldn't even come into play.
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This is absolutely untrue. Watts are watts, and a certain number of watts will generate a predictable amount of heat. It's easy to be misled by high efficiency numbers, but all that light ends up making heat as well.

I'm already adequately cooling the rooms, so I doubt I'd need additional room cooling.

Like I said, there's a lot of things to think about...
 
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