If Our Founding Fathers Were All Christians, Why Did They Say This?

schuylaar

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Nobody can deny the fact that Christianity has played a huge role in our history. From the first Thanksgiving to the ideas of Jesus Christ that are embroidered in our culture today, Christianity and the Bible is responsible a big part of our heritage.

However, many conservatives will take this fact way out of context. They'll think that you have to be a Christian to be patriotic, which is simply not true. Following the more secular teachings of Jesus Christ (being charitable, loving one another, treating strangers with kindness) is what the men who founded this country were for.

I don't want to waste my time listing all these obscurant far-right arguments, so instead I'll list the facts straight from our forefathers.

“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” - George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia (1789)

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.” - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr (1787)

"In regard to religion, mutual toleration in the different professions thereof is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practiced, and both by precept and example inculcated on mankind.” - Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists (1771)

“Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.” - Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man (1791)

“Congress has no power to make any religious establishments.” - Roger Sherman, Congress (1789)

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack (1758)
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people build a wall of separation between Church & State." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Danbury Baptists (1802)
"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)
Note: You can read Paine's whole pamphlet, where he expresses his atheistic beliefs, here.
“Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” - Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom (1779)
"Christian establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." - James Madison, letter to William Bradford, Jr. (1774)
"There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness." - George Washington, address to Congress (1790)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison, General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia (1785)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/18/1285607/-If-Our-Founding-Fathers-Were-All-Christians-Why-Did-They-Say-This
 

Path of Light

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I myself am proud pagan & a witch.I wasnt raised that way.Either way I personally respect ALL faiths regardless of how they differ from mine.All faiths has their place & are necessary.No faith is superior to another,after all they are ALL only OPINIONS mine included.I dont care what faith our president or other elected leaders are either,so long as their personal opinions dont hinder no others right to express themselves or their opinions.However any faith that believes that any particular faith,race,sex,color or sexual orientation is superior to another
is evil & is no different than ISIS or the Nazi regime.Opinions are like a-holes everyone has 1.
 

Path of Light

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lol ur opinion.consider this harry,if no religions existed where peeps believed there would be no consequences for their actions then the world would be alot more dangerous than it is
 

OddBall1st

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It`s pretty simple boys and girls, the dudes were smart enough to know that you cannot make religion a fact of life that has controlling power directly over the People. Precautionary statements to ensure that we do not run our Country as a religion.

They knew that you boys and girls would be bothered by something colorless, odorless, costless, tasteless, and most of all, something you can`t even point at. Notice religion was not left out and ignored. Even today candidates and politicians say and do things for the vote.

But you must understand that they knew you boys and girls would be bothered by something you can`t even get a visual on. Religion bothers people, so why would you run your Country on it ?

Keep in mind, the Declaration was written because of the most famous message in the bible,.....all men are created equal.
 

Path of Light

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Examples?
consider this 1st & foremost, no example exsists because our world is full of many religions.However try to imagine this Rice,
take just "Christanity" & its related faiths Islam,Judaism,Catholic.Though the differ on several points a lot of their beliefs are similar.
Example:2.18 billion Christians, 2.08 Billion Muslims,suppose that they all found out their faiths was all lies or rather their faiths was never founded.Face it most people go to church because they are afraid of an eternal punishment or reward for following or not following their faiths doctrines.So if these many peoples thought there was no reward or punishments for their actions or inactions imagine how much more violent the world would be then.Religions are a means of control say as to unite so many under their banner.Anarchy would rule.
 

OddBall1st

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consider this 1st & foremost, no example exsists because our world is full of many religions.However try to imagine this Rice,
take just "Christanity" & its related faiths Islam,Judaism,Catholic.Though the differ on several points a lot of their beliefs are similar.
Example:2.18 billion Christians, 2.08 Billion Muslims,suppose that they all found out their faiths was all lies or rather their faiths was never founded.Face it most people go to church because they are afraid of an eternal punishment or reward for following or not following their faiths doctrines.So if these many peoples thought there was no reward or punishments for their actions or inactions imagine how much more violent the world would be then.Religions are a means of control say as to unite so many under their banner.Anarchy would rule.


That`s too much food on his plate. You actually have to draw a picture and no color, keep it black and white.
 
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