Profile of the Oregon shooter - Chris Harper-Mercer

[OddBall1st]

Nope I am legit until the time comes they attempt to ban or disarm americans. They may get my legit guns but that's all that "I own " until they leave

They wont be coming for your guns, too much work,...they will have you turn them in if anything,...but still, that will never happen, hasn`t and is not in the works. The draft dodging nervous guy in charge of the NRA spreads shit like that.

If you drive legal, why not shoot legal ? or do you,.....??? it`s cool .......no objections here,...I might have a sawed.

I don`t have issues with ownership,...I have them with greedy gun dealers that don`t care who is buying. If you`re legit to buy, you`re legit to own and maybe alter a thing or two, like color,....red is nice..........

 

[anzohaze]

They wont be coming for your guns, too much work,...they will have you turn them in if anything,...but still, that will never happen, hasn`t and is not in the works. The draft dodging nervous guy in charge of the NRA spreads shit like that.

If you drive legal, why not shoot legal ? or do you,.....??? it`s cool .......no objections here,...I might have a sawed.

I don`t have issues with ownership,...I have them with greedy gun dealers that don`t care who is buying. If you`re legit to buy, you`re legit to own and maybe alter a thing or two, like color,....red is nice..........

Yes I'm legal wwith a permit as well but agree with you on that statement. I have ground down guns as well never no what may happen most are hand guns and a fee bigger cal. Guns

 

[BM9AGS]

That`s cannon. Gun shot is the straight unaltered flight, cannon is arced and mortar is drift.

Example. a) An M-777 howitzer has a gun range of 7 miles, and a cannon range of 50+ and a mortar shot of right back down the barrel.

Where are you making this stuff up from bro???? It's entertaining.

Think a while on this. With reason you will see you're very wrong. It's ok tho. I'm not judging you for it.

 

[OddBall1st]

The numbers on the 777 are close, I didn`t wanna go search, I don`t recall exactly. What`s made up ?

 

[BM9AGS]

The numbers on the 777 are close, I didn`t wanna go search, I don`t recall exactly. What`s made up ?

Everything.

I think you made up most of it well yes all of it actually. I'm doing my best at being civil so you learn here not get mad and bottle up.... But I did send my friends a pic of what you said for a good laugh.

I don't know where to start....how did you come to make up that the presented trajectory picture is of a cannon and this completely made up definition of gun shot being the straight unaltered flight and cannon is arched and mortar is drift?

Because this is completely pulled from the air you have me baffled.

It can't really mean that you believe a gun fires straight and a cannon is different being an arch and that a mortar drifts to its target?

Please spend a minute online and Google trajectory of a gun, cannon, mortar and the likes. As they're all the same with calculating trajectory for impact. All guns being cannon mortar or rifle and pistol all react to gravity the same. There is no projectile that defies gravity.

Also your numbers and assumptions for m777 are wrong like everything else trajectory related you've made up.

 

[OddBall1st]

Have you met Arty? Learned the threes ?

Today they are calling it Gun, Howitzer, Mortar. I learned when it was accepted as Gun, Cannon, Mortar. and of course the three waves, gun, shell, burst.

When I learned it was straight line no deviations equated to gun range like across the room or building ect.
cannon was the indirect arc shots increase range but lower accuracy. and mortar was arced inside the straight line gun shot range, (over the mountain through the woods to grandma`s we shoot)

 

[OddBall1st]

That chart I showed applies to everything coming out a bore, no matter the size, mount, or charge.

Everything.

I think you made up most of it well yes all of it actually. I'm doing my best at being civil so you learn here not get mad and bottle up.... But I did send my friends a pic of what you said for a good laugh.

I don't know where to start....how did you come to make up that the presented trajectory picture is of a cannon and this completely made up definition of gun shot being the straight unaltered flight and cannon is arched and mortar is drift?

Because this is completely pulled from the air you have me baffled.

It can't really mean that you believe a gun fires straight and a cannon is different being an arch and that a mortar drifts to its target?

Please spend a minute online and Google trajectory of a gun, cannon, mortar and the likes. As they're all the same with calculating trajectory for impact. All guns being cannon mortar or rifle and pistol all react to gravity the same. There is no projectile that defies gravity.

Also your numbers and assumptions for m777 are wrong like everything else trajectory related you've made up.

If you shoot someone in the same room, How much did it drop ?

 

[OddBall1st]

Go through this,.....
http://www.desertrats.org.uk/equipartillery.htm

That chart is about a quarter ways down. and leaves out straight line and calls the furthest two Gun,.....They should have kept it simple.

 

[OddBall1st]

It`s very old school but simple and basic to understand.

 

[OddBall1st]

I can find a more defined one if you like. Most of mine are naval batteries though,...handgun is no different, just that you can hold it.

 

[BM9AGS]

Have you met Arty? Learned the threes ?

Today they are calling it Gun, Howitzer, Mortar. I learned when it was accepted as Gun, Cannon, Mortar. and of course the three waves, gun, shell, burst.

When I learned it was straight line no deviations equated to gun range like across the room or building ect.
cannon was the indirect arc shots increase range but lower accuracy. and mortar was arced inside the straight line gun shot range, (over the mountain through the woods to grandma`s we shoot)

Ok, I see where your thinking is from. But yes everything you've said in reference to trajectory is wrong and you made up a lot. Memory fades I know.

You're referencing what is called the gun target line which is what we use in the us military to show the straight line from a gun(pistol rifle mortar naval cannon all same) to the target. Direct or indirect.

A barrel whether it's of a sniper rifle or a mortar serves the same purpose. To direct the projectile. The projectile, once it leaves the barrel, any barrel immediately begins dropping off the axis of the barrel line, because of gravity.
So at distance a pistol, rifle, mortar howitzer cannon BB gun and straw shooting wet paper all have an arch as you must point a barrel, no matter the weapon, up to counter effect the gravity to get that projectile to travel farther.

So, recap. Every weapon fired will arch down with gravity. Trajectory is the same depends on velocity and weight of projectile and some other things too.

 

[BM9AGS]

It`s very old school but simple and basic to understand.

olderr than me old and not up to date. Did your u serve back then?

Go through this,.....
http://www.desertrats.org.uk/equipartillery.htm

That chart is about a quarter ways down. and leaves out straight line and calls the furthest two Gun,.....They should have kept it simple.

thats just a reference. You can shoot s mortar 100 meters as you can a rifle and a cannon and howitzer. That picture just shows their capabilities for what is called max effective range for reference. But say a .5 cal sniper rifle....it CAN shoot out to 14 miles however we only shoot it accurately out to about 2,500meters. It arches no differently than a naval gun or howitzer being appropriate for its specific velocity and weight against gravity the constant.

 

[OddBall1st]

Ok, I see where your thinking is from. But yes everything you've said in reference to trajectory is wrong and you made up a lot. Memory fades I know.

You're referencing what is called the gun target line which is what we use in the us military to show the straight line from a gun(pistol rifle mortar naval cannon all same) to the target. Direct or indirect.

A barrel whether it's of a sniper rifle or a mortar serves the same purpose. To direct the projectile. The projectile, once it leaves the barrel, any barrel immediately begins dropping off the axis of the barrel line, because of gravity.
So at distance a pistol, rifle, mortar howitzer cannon BB gun and straw shooting wet paper all have an arch as you must point a barrel, no matter the weapon, up to counter effect the gravity to get that projectile to travel farther.

So, recap. Every weapon fired will arch down with gravity. Trajectory is the same depends on velocity and weight of projectile and some other things too.

No, long distance or short range, the bullet does not drop when leaving the barrel for some time, it actually increases speed first. The drag from the gun wave retards it. A lot of people don`t get into that when teaching. A lot of new guys miss targets because they see a bullet rotating right to left when leaving and watching, and it is,...but on the other ship, it`s rotating left to right coming at you. That`s what you compensate for.

 

[OddBall1st]

And yes, it`s been 30 or so years and a lot of smoke. (weed) Like right now, Friday and shits done. I can.

 

[BM9AGS]

No, long distance or short range, the bullet does not drop when leaving the barrel for some time, it actually increases speed first. The drag from the gun wave retards it. A lot of people don`t get into that when teaching. A lot of new guys miss targets because they see a bullet rotating right to left when leaving and watching, and it is,...but on the other ship, it`s rotating left to right coming at you. That`s what you compensate for.

Okay now you're completely wrong again.

The second the projectile leaves it's barrel is is effected by gravity. When you see it leave the barrel and by calculations the first half of its trajectory called the rising branch is in fact effected by gravity but it is much less as the projectile still has very much remV which is remaining velocity. Basically it's going fast so the time exposure to gravity is much much less. Later after it passes max ord and begins to "fall"in relation to the GTL it is traveling slower and thus affected by the longer exposure to gravity.

But when it leaves the barrel it begins its drop from the barrel line immediately but by eye you only see it hit max ord and then come down. If this weren't true then the projectile would shoot straight to the moon or the way you think it would be in an upside down V shape

 

[OddBall1st]

OK, After Obama spoke, nothing but gun this and gun that on the tube,.... My son had a lock down drill at K school today,....Un F`n real.......

I think we should bring back public execution and Posse.

 

[BM9AGS]

OK, After Obama spoke, nothing but gun this and gun that on the tube,.... My son had a lock down drill at K school today,....Un F`n real.......

I think we should bring back public execution and Posse.

They're trying to contract a security company here to actively guard schools. I think it's great. id like to see my kids school guarded by retired green berets.

 

[OddBall1st]

Okay now you're completely wrong again.

The second the projectile leaves it's barrel is is effected by gravity. When you see it leave the barrel and by calculations the first half of its trajectory called the rising branch is in fact effected by gravity but it is much less as the projectile still has very much remV which is remaining velocity. Basically it's going fast so the time exposure to gravity is much much less. Later after it passes max ord and begins to "fall"in relation to the GTL it is traveling slower and thus affected by the longer exposure to gravity.

But when it leaves the barrel it begins its drop from the barrel line immediately but by eye you only see it hit max ord and then come down. If this weren't true then the projectile would shoot straight to the moon or the way you think it would be in an upside down V shape

It will drop, but not right away, it has the velocity to defy gravity by thrust. I can throw a baseball and make it curve up over distance.

 

[OddBall1st]

They're trying to contract a security company here to actively guard schools. I think it's great. id like to see my kids school guarded by retired green berets.

That would be awesome without pay even. But somewhere there`s a lawyer and an insurance co. Should be LE or active duty. It`s a good idea worth pursuing.

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

It will drop, but not right away, it has the velocity to defy gravity by thrust. I can throw a baseball and make it curve up over distance.

Do you know anything about calculus?