Official Lolbertarian thread. Discuss the benefits of No goverment

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Not GOP said:
You are really creepy
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Not so. I think that children cannot consent to sex and would under no circumstances give an adult access to my daughter but Rob is different. If I found out about a situation of child abuse, I would go to great lengths to make sure that a child abuser does not continue his abuse, regardless of my association with the child or the abuser. Rob Roy has gone on and on about how other people's children can consent to sex at almost any age. He says it would be none of his business if he found out. No matter how much questioning he's gotten on this, he has been adamant that children can consent to sex with adults. It's fair to ask if his daughter has done this.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Fogdog said:
Not so. I think that children cannot consent to sex and would under no circumstances give an adult access to my daughter but Rob is different. If I found out about a situation of child abuse, I would go to great lengths to make sure that a child abuser does not continue his abuse, regardless of my association with the child or the abuser. Rob Roy has gone on and on about how other people's children can consent to sex at almost any age. He says it would be none of his business if he found out. No matter how much questioning he's gotten on this, he has been adamant that children can consent to sex with adults. It's fair to ask if his daughter has done this.
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He said they could "consent"/give permission, yet still doesn't think its right or advocate for it.

Jesus, how brain-dead are you people?

And the same people support Jewish men sucking baby dick.

Where does the irony end?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Fogdog said:
You didn't answer. Nice try. Would you consider somebody over 21 and having sex with your 13 year old daughter acceptable if she agreed to it? What more information would you need before you could decide to intervene? This is a hypothetical question or was meant to be until you took it personal. There is no need to get all huffy about my probing into your family's personal affairs, I'm sorry if this actually happened. But just out of curiosity, did you stop the bastard or did you ask if you could watch? Please, no details.

What is a prohibitionist mindset? I don't have enough information to answer your question.
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You've presented a hypothetical setting. If I had a daughter that age, is she capable of consenting is the first thing that should be determined? We don't know that from your example, do we?

Generally speaking I stayed out of my sons personal lives once they became teenagers, never had a daughter though, but I wouldn't be comfortable with a young teen girl in a relationship with another person over 21. I'm not comfortable with age pairings with a large differential, but if both parties are capable of consenting, how would you propose any person intervene?

A prohibitionist mindset is one wherein a person externalizes their thoughts into prohibitions, laws, restrictions etc. on other people that are behaving in ways that don't directly concern the prohibitionist. Malum Prohibitum, etc.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Glaucoma said:
@Rob Roy
Why can't you answer my specific questions using your own words?

Chapter 7, for example, admits that there are people who are dishonest but then goes on to assume that people will protect their reputation. Because, yanno. They can't just move on and find another easy target.

Fucking BS. And then the drivel about 'professional arbitrators'? LOL. Because when you change their titles, they are nothing like judges today.

How come when I point out the obvious flaws in this, you move on and claim that I haven't refuted anything?

Try answering some of these before you declare victory:

If government using their own judges against you to win a case is the problem, why do you want all plaintiffs to choose their judges?

What do you do if somebody who has not consented to this form of government has wronged you? Use my Canadian example. If a Canadian shoots your horse, what can you do about it?
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If a Canadian shoots my horse, I'd pull a Peter Sellers, when asked if his dog would bite, he said no. Then added something to the effect of, "that's not my dog", when a dog (not his) started biting somebody.

Now would you like to see some other chapters that might answer your questions or has your appetite for reading dwindled? You DID read the entire chapter meticulously didn't you?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
I think the idea is just take em out and dispose. They won't remember the pain after they are dead
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You never did tell us why you were in a Police lineup. If a person is in a Police lineup, should they be presumed to be guilty of something harmful and taken out and disposed of, or should more inquiry be performed Mr. Vigilant Prohibitionist ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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abandonconflict said:
Why? Who said they were similar? How can a market be free if resources and infrastructure are privately owned? Capitalism can not exist with out gov't.
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Why? Sometimes you offer good arguments, I wanted to hear your thoughts.

Who said they were similar? Lots of people erroneously equate the two.

How can a market be free if resources and infrastructure are privately owned?

Easily. The unimpeded exchange or trade of value for value is a major component of a truly free market. If you own something that I value (your resource) and willingly trade it for something I own (my resource) and no other parties are involved or legislatively seek to stop us, we have engaged in free market activity.

Capitalism can not exist without government ?

I don't equate capitalism and "free market" as the same thing. You should read some of the Center For a Stateless Society articles by Kevin Carson. I bet you'd like them.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
Yet you proclaim that a child can consent to sex with an adult and anyone who would try to stop such a union would be the true molester

You are a sick fucking dude
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No. I said a person, if they ARE capable, of consenting to something and another person forcibly stops them from exercising control over their OWN body the forcible person is the person molesting them.

You made up the rest to fit your narrative, because you like to talk about children and sex with your hand in your pants while viewing photos of skanky biker sluts from your sleezy motor cycle magazines while running around your house making vrooom vrooom sounds.

How old were you when you gained the wherewithal to knowingly control YOUR OWN body, is the question you run from. What is the magic age that you, a prohibitionist, became self aware and capable of making rational choices concerning yourself? Is that age the same for everyone?

I'm not sick and just did a shit load of one handed pushups, pretty good for an old duffer, eh?
 
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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Rob Roy said:
You've presented a hypothetical setting. If I had a daughter that age, is she capable of consenting is the first thing that should be determined? We don't know that from your example, do we?

Generally speaking I stayed out of my sons personal lives once they became teenagers, never had a daughter though, but I wouldn't be comfortable with a young teen girl in a relationship with another person over 21. I'm not comfortable with age pairings with a large differential, but if both parties are capable of consenting, how would you propose any person intervene?

A prohibitionist mindset is one wherein a person externalizes their thoughts into prohibitions, laws, restrictions etc. on other people that are behaving in ways that don't directly concern the prohibitionist. Malum Prohibitum, etc.
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By what criteria is someone able to consent?

You know exactly what I'm asking. No semantics.

The state says "18" based on metrics they've applied. If you disagree with that, please explain why you disagree and how someone younger than that could consent. What metrics do you apply to someone being able to consent younger than 18?
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
If a person IS being molested, there's a very good chance they didn't consent to it. So, in that circumstance we seem to agree they should be left alone.

If a person IS capable of consenting to somethmoleing that you don't like, but doesn't involve you, your intervening then becomes the molestation, grasshopper. You are unable to refute that and all you have done is offer diversions.

You abuse the term "Protecting a person". You've implied it means, making them stop doing something they've willingly consented to....that's what Prohibitionists do.
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So A 13 year old kid is being fucked in the ass by an adult in your house.
You dont intervene because the child consented to the rape?
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
No. I said a person, if they ARE capable, of consenting to something and another person forcibly stops them from exercising control over their OWN body the forcible person is the person molesting them.

You made up the rest to fit your narrative, because you like to talk about children and sex with your hand in your pants while viewing photos of skanky biker sluts from your sleezy motor cycle magazines while running around your house making vrooom vrooom sounds.

How old were you when you gained the wherewithal to knowingly control YOUR OWN body, is the question you run from. What is the magic age that you, a prohibitionist, became self aware and capable of making rational choices concerning yourself? Is that age the same for everyone?

I'm not sick and just did a shit load of one handed pushups, pretty good for an old duffer, eh?
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Children cannot consent to having sex with an adult Rob
and everyone else but Harrekin see's it that way
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
By what criteria is someone able to consent?

You know exactly what I'm asking. No semantics.

The state says "18" based on metrics they've applied. If you disagree with that, please explain why you disagree and how someone younger than that could consent. What metrics do you apply to someone being able to consent younger than 18?
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They have the wherewithal to understand the responsibility and consequences of their actions / inactions. Some people arrive at that point at different times in their life. Consent to be real, is not externally formed, it is an internal function of the person providing the consent.

To forcibly prohibit a peaceful person from exercising domain over their OWN body, is an act of initiated aggression. That is a common action when the state / coercive government becomes involved in anything isn't it?

The state's very existence arises not from consent of individuals, rather from the removal of individual's consent. It's self evident if you care to be truthful in your review of the state's origin and modes of operation.

I don't assume it's my duty to apply a universal age of consent to people, so I'd probably consider the aspects of the individual . For instance there are lots of 17 year olds that are more independent and responsible than some 18, 19 or 20 year olds. In my experience many years ago, I was one of them. I supported myself at 17, didn't shit on fast food floors and had taken on more responsibility than many people several years older than me.

I'll agree that the likelihood of a person being able to knowingly consent to things is lower on average when the age is lower. That doesn't mean that all 17 year olds should be judged as a single lot though does it?
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
They have the wherewithal to understand the responsibility and consequences of their actions / inactions. Some people arrive at that point at different times in their life. Consent to be real, is not externally formed, it is an internal function of the person providing the consent.

To forcibly prohibit a peaceful person from exercising domain over their OWN body, is an act of initiated aggression. That is a common action when the state / coercive government becomes involved in anything isn't it?
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CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT TO SEX WITH ADULTS ROB
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
Children cannot consent to having sex with an adult Rob
You are a sick mother fucker, and everyone else but Harrekin see's it that way
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So which age were you when you developed the wherewithal to determine the use of your own body?

When did the magical "it's okay to fuck fairy" fly into your bedroom and tell you, "Oh Cheesy boy, it's time to stop wanking into Donatello's face on your ninja turtle sheets and you should go out into the world and engage a consenting young lady"?

Were you 23? 17? 47? How old were you when you were granted the magic touch of the fairy and Donatellos' face became legible again?
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
So which age were you when you developed the wherewithal to determine the use of your own body?

When did the magical "it's okay to fuck fairy" fly into your bedroom and tell you, "Oh Cheesy boy, it's time to stop wanking into Donatello's face on your ninja turtle sheets and you should go out into the world and engage a consenting young lady"?

Were you 23? 17? 47? How old were you when you were granted the magic touch of the fairy and Donatellos' face became legible again?
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CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT TO SEX WITH ADULTS ROB
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT TO SEX WITH ADULTS ROB
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Yes, we agree that people who cannot consent, cannot consent.

How old were you when you developed the wherewithal to consent, Prohibitionist?



Donatello was your favorite wasn't he? Leonardo? C'mon which one?
 
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