mr.smileyface
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That is one plant scrogged kinda.. its grown in plain coco watered every two days when dry. Second time growing in a small space. Last run i did 5, but put them in a bigger tent half way through. Got a halfpound.
Proof led lights work 2x2 tent Skush
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mr.smileyface
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They still work
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mr.smileyface
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Just about 3 zips of triple
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jacksthc
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corect me if I am wrong here, as I would like to use leds but from what I have seen, there crap, there just no other word for it.
here my plant after I trimmed the fans off, long fat colas
my 600w hps can pentrat the canopy 18" so the plants are full of soild high quaity buds
the only thing leds are good for is a scrog as all the buds are small, some buds maybe 6" long at best at the top of the canopy, so the sweet spot is really small on leds
the reason why leds are good for small grows is all the plants are small and the colas are very short 4-5" long
looks good in a picture but the yeild must be very poor
any led growers out there with 1ft long colas or 2ft high plants full of bud (like mine) ?
here my plant after I trimmed the fans off, long fat colas
my 600w hps can pentrat the canopy 18" so the plants are full of soild high quaity buds
the only thing leds are good for is a scrog as all the buds are small, some buds maybe 6" long at best at the top of the canopy, so the sweet spot is really small on leds
the reason why leds are good for small grows is all the plants are small and the colas are very short 4-5" long
looks good in a picture but the yeild must be very poor
any led growers out there with 1ft long colas or 2ft high plants full of bud (like mine) ?
JimmyIndica
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JimmyIndica
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2ft plants. How about 5ft HoneyBananas/41/2ft GummyBears
I have a question? Can hps bring the oil production like this Truthband/WhiteWalker
IMO when I look at hps grown bud? The well looks dry
HoneyBananas/GummyBears was grown with 380watts LED
I have a question? Can hps bring the oil production like this Truthband/WhiteWalker
IMO when I look at hps grown bud? The well looks dryHoneyBananas/GummyBears was grown with 380watts LED
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HockeyBeard
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You might want to take a gander at what people are doing with the COB LED (3000K WW instead of Monochromatic Diodes)
Clockboy Orange
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I grow 3-5 feet tall plants, I don't cut off the "sucker branches" or anything. I have 0 problem producing buds from top to bottom. Most people think LED's are a joke because of a few reasons.
A. The Shitty Companies
B. Never trying it yourselves but using others (usually straight newbies) as proof positive.
C. Straight up mumbo jumbo people just come up with
Yeah there are good and bad lights for growing, I have a few different companies and I work with those lights to achieve my goals. In my smaller 2x4 tents I use a 100w 200w 100w and the plants are about 1-2 ft tall.
In my bigger area the plants are as big as anything I grew under HPS. Coming from someone who has worked commercially in the cannabis industry I will admit that the spread of LED's isn't as good as HPS. HOWEVER the density, resin content, trichome development are all superior with LEDS in my experience.
Also if I let you borrow a panel to do a veg off you would see how much tighter node spacing is and the root system seems to develop a hell of a lot better. Plants also suck up a lot more magnesium which leads me to believe there is far more photosynthesis involved. HPS lights only produce 10-20% of light that the plant can actually use, the rest is just brightness mixed with heat.
Just my experience, only been doing this for 5 years, learned from people winning cannabis cups and decided that way wasn't the way for me. I like my LEDs and if you like your HPS nothing wrong with it.
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GFS_Nic
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I did and i use Vero29 myself, before that i use mono (Hans panel), and i still think that a high end hps is a winner for now. Yes the new gen of LED are filling the gap but at what price ?
JimmyIndica 's plant look stuning but not as beefy as the plants shown by jacksthc.
It's just my opinion, don't go berserk on me...
JimmyIndica
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Thats fair. Higher quality product with the LEDI did and i use Vero29 myself, before that i use mono (Hans panel), and i still think that a high end hps is a winner for now. Yes the new gen of LED are filling the gap but at what price ?
JimmyIndica 's plant look stuning but not as beefy as the plants shown by jacksthc.
It's just my opinion, don't go berserk on me...
Thats what I am after
HockeyBeard
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Me thinks our definitions of berserk are worlds apart. A good rampage contains is usually in caps lock and contains more than a couple exclamation points.I did and i use Vero29 myself, before that i use mono (Hans panel), and i still think that a high end hps is a winner for now. Yes the new gen of LED are filling the gap but at what price ?
JimmyIndica 's plant look stuning but not as beefy as the plants shown by jacksthc.
It's just my opinion, don't go berserk on me...
Vero29 are ok, but they're no 3590.
Yield #s don't need to line up 1:1 for it to be a successful investment, though. You have to factor in how much you're saving on power and such as well. Then factor in yield loss after the first run with that bulb, and bulb replacement costs over 5 years. Now, if you're able to get significantly more yield, enough to cover the extra money spent on AC and HPS each month, then go for it. Do you want to play the short game, or the long game? It's personal preference. However, there are still benefits to LED, such as tighter node spacing and increased trichome production, that HPS doesn't provide.
Also, comparing those two pictures without considering the strain differences or nutrient options (org vs synth) isn't really fair, either.
JimmyIndica
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I agree with you on CXB3590. This one is about to get blown up by CB bin 30Gs. Its actually prototype#2 Of the next gen COB production fixture almost ready for Showtime.
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GFS_Nic
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The guy ask us if we have seen some equivalent bud grown under led that looks like those in his picture. I respond to that. He didn't ask us which is the best money wise and nobody's talking about AC. About my previous message, i was anticipating the possible shitstorm, i hope it will not happen, moderators are fed up with this led forum already...
CXB3590 are better than Vero29... Yeah, and ? Who said the opposite ?
But i really do not agree with is opinion about LED (they're not crap at all).
CXB3590 are better than Vero29... Yeah, and ? Who said the opposite ?
But i really do not agree with is opinion about LED (they're not crap at all).
Darth Vapour
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You are so wrong in many ways trichome is strain related tight internodes again same thing applies as well as grower technique on training
You mention long run or short run well way i look at is how long is it going to take you to make 100 pounds vs long run to make same amount ??? is it savings ?? on power or effciency then what a person is looking at ?? personally you can take effciency and throw it out the window
I have not used MH since my very first grow is Been HPS from start to finish wth tight internodes every time training goes a long way in that field
We always here LED's or Cobs as the 1000 hid killer YET it never happens i mean a person throwing 4 plants under 1000 and pulling 2.5 - 3 pounds consistently or some LED grower throwin 10 - 30 plants ad pulling 1.1 lol seems like a moot point
you get them you tube video's blowing shit out of the water reminds me of them door to door sales men trying to sell something ,, which ever way a person chooses to use for a light is great .. Cobs / LEds / any light produces heat in any room so venting is a must not only for heat but air circulation
So throwing in the HPS needs ventilation is again a moot point any room needs ventilation for a health plant
When looking online for led and or cob grows we are not seeing same type of grows not even fucking close althogh cobs are pretty impressive like CMH or plasma
supplement..
truth is least from my eyes is when it really comes down to a 1000 watt hid killer i do not see it anywhere where cob or led are growing like in picture maybe some one can post there tree grow in led or cob there 1.5 - 3 pound plant not plants
Not my plant
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jacksthc
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your plants do look great and I am inpressed, ok looks like they can match a 400w hps
what make are they ?
as for oil production my buds are anything but dry, there very sticky, so oil production must be good
Darth Vapour
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lol and another meat head using efficiency lol prove it it grows better show me 36 day vegged from clone plant ?? i forgot most people will throw them in flower 2 weeks in right ?? cause u need to have lots to get any yield plant per plant
you have proof lab testing that its better if not sit down fool
Show me how efficient them leds / cobs are down 5 feet from tops show us the bud sites
I'm not in a dick comparing contest, I have seen the side by side grows done by very competent growers with good quality led systems. They have been around for a while now. if you don't want to look, that's your problem.
HockeyBeard
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Your statement is so riddled with inconsistencies and misleading statements. Take efficiency and throw it out the window? Yeah, what's your educational background to be able to make an assertion like that? Being able to more efficiently use the power you're drawing to create usable light absolutely has to be taken into consideration. I never said anything about not needing ventilation, fresh air is always necessary.
I'm tutoring under a fellow caregiver and he's using LED with organics, and on the majority of what we're running right now, we're bringing down around 8oz per plant, 2 plants per light in 10G pots. AC never turns on, Dehumidifier barely runs, double layer SCROG. Power bill hasn't spiked more than 120$ in the summer, but we have the benefit of MI basements that stay pretty cool. I guarantee you he'd be able to crank that yield up with synthetics, too. But we're using his own recipe of super soil, no feed other than azos through veg. How much money do you sink into nutes each run? What's your power bill each month? How much did that big mini-split cost? industrial dehumidifier?
I'm tutoring under a fellow caregiver and he's using LED with organics, and on the majority of what we're running right now, we're bringing down around 8oz per plant, 2 plants per light in 10G pots. AC never turns on, Dehumidifier barely runs, double layer SCROG. Power bill hasn't spiked more than 120$ in the summer, but we have the benefit of MI basements that stay pretty cool. I guarantee you he'd be able to crank that yield up with synthetics, too. But we're using his own recipe of super soil, no feed other than azos through veg. How much money do you sink into nutes each run? What's your power bill each month? How much did that big mini-split cost? industrial dehumidifier?
Darth Vapour
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I am not here saying that cob / led does not grow they do but do they out grow Hid ??? cause really that is what people are claiming 
you be the judge week 8 and hid week 6 weeks lol
PS that was 12 plant 7 3/4 pound harvest 3 k impressive 450 bucks worth of lights and 17.600 - 450 = 17,150 profit 77 days start to finish
you be the judge week 8 and hid week 6 weeks lol
PS that was 12 plant 7 3/4 pound harvest 3 k impressive 450 bucks worth of lights and 17.600 - 450 = 17,150 profit 77 days start to finish
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