When The Aristocracy Leaves The Commoners In The Dust, The Empire Is Doomed

squarepush3r

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-08/when-aristocracy-leaves-commoners-dust-empire-doomed

Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

We all know the barriers between the commoners and the Elite rise higher every year, despite the claims of the corporate media and the Power Elite aristocracy.

Historian Peter Turchin identified "the degree of solidarity felt between the commons and aristocracy" as a key ingredient of the Republic of Rome's enormous success. Turchin calls this attribute of social structure vertical integration, a term that usually refers to a corporation owning its supply chain.

In Turchin's meaning, it refers to the sense of purpose and identity shared by the top, middle and bottom of the wealth/power pyramid. One measure of this vertical integration is the degree of equality/inequality between the commoners (shall we call this the lower 90% of American households by income?) and the Power Elite aristocracy (top .5%, or perhaps top .1%).

The vertical integration of the Roman Republic's social strata is striking. In his book War and Peace and War: The Rise and Fall of Empires, Turchin tells this anecdote:

"Roman historians of the later age stressed the modest way of life, even poverty of the leading citizens. For example, when Cincinnatus was summoned to be dictator, while working at the plow, he reportedly exclaimed, 'My land will not be sown this year and so we shall run the risk of not having enough to eat!'"

Can you conjure up the image of any presidential hopeful in a field actually working to grow food for his/her family?

Turchin goes on to say this vertical integration is a feature of all successful empires:

"(This) lack of glaring barriers between the aristocracy and the commons seems to be a general characteristic of successful imperial nations during their early phase."

Once the barriers between commoners and the Elite become impassable, the Empire is doomed. As noted in Following in Ancient Rome's Footsteps: Moral Decay, Rising Wealth Inequality (September 30, 2015), military service was a distinguishing feature of the Elites and landowning commoners of Rome.

Indeed, as noted in the above essay, Rome's aristocracy suffered higher rates of KIA (killed in action) than the commoners.

Can you conjure up the image of any presidential hopeful in a combat zone risking his/her life? Please don't make me laugh by saying "yes"... George Bush I was the last president to actually risk his life in theater, in combat.

By the end of the empire, the middle class of asset-owning commoners had been extinguished. Confiscatory taxes (ahem, ring any bells?) drove the middle class into serfdom.

Imagine this happening in present-day America: "The wealthy classes were also the first to volunteer extra taxes when they were needed."

Paging all presidential hopefuls--here's your chance to reclaim the glory of Republican Rome by volunteering to pay higher taxes. Hillary? The Donald? Anyone?

Accessibility is another measure of low barriers between the wealthy Elites and the commoners. A few corporate leaders are making an effort to be accessible to their employees. Tony Hsieh, CEO of Zappos, lives in a trailer that is often the site of meetings. Is this perfect vertical integration? No, but it's certainly a step in the right direction compared to wealthy elites buying and fortifying islands against anything but a drone/cruise missile strike.

This chart shows the number of households in each income category, broken into $5,000 segments. The last two bars to the right are those making $200,000+ annually, roughly 4% of households.

What this doesn't show is the preponderance of income/wealth in the top .1%:



We all know the barriers between the commoners and the Elite rise higher every year, despite the claims of the corporate media and the Power Elite aristocracy, which is naturally desperate to maintain the fantasy that they are "regular folks" despite their immense wealth.

The Power Elite aristocracy isn't dumb; they fully understand once the illusion of their shared purpose and identity with the commoners is shattered, their invulnerability is history.​
 

ttystikk

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-08/when-aristocracy-leaves-commoners-dust-empire-doomed

Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

We all know the barriers between the commoners and the Elite rise higher every year, despite the claims of the corporate media and the Power Elite aristocracy.

Historian Peter Turchin identified "the degree of solidarity felt between the commons and aristocracy" as a key ingredient of the Republic of Rome's enormous success. Turchin calls this attribute of social structure vertical integration, a term that usually refers to a corporation owning its supply chain.

In Turchin's meaning, it refers to the sense of purpose and identity shared by the top, middle and bottom of the wealth/power pyramid. One measure of this vertical integration is the degree of equality/inequality between the commoners (shall we call this the lower 90% of American households by income?) and the Power Elite aristocracy (top .5%, or perhaps top .1%).

The vertical integration of the Roman Republic's social strata is striking. In his book War and Peace and War: The Rise and Fall of Empires, Turchin tells this anecdote:

"Roman historians of the later age stressed the modest way of life, even poverty of the leading citizens. For example, when Cincinnatus was summoned to be dictator, while working at the plow, he reportedly exclaimed, 'My land will not be sown this year and so we shall run the risk of not having enough to eat!'"

Can you conjure up the image of any presidential hopeful in a field actually working to grow food for his/her family?

Turchin goes on to say this vertical integration is a feature of all successful empires:

"(This) lack of glaring barriers between the aristocracy and the commons seems to be a general characteristic of successful imperial nations during their early phase."

Once the barriers between commoners and the Elite become impassable, the Empire is doomed. As noted in Following in Ancient Rome's Footsteps: Moral Decay, Rising Wealth Inequality (September 30, 2015), military service was a distinguishing feature of the Elites and landowning commoners of Rome.

Indeed, as noted in the above essay, Rome's aristocracy suffered higher rates of KIA (killed in action) than the commoners.

Can you conjure up the image of any presidential hopeful in a combat zone risking his/her life? Please don't make me laugh by saying "yes"... George Bush I was the last president to actually risk his life in theater, in combat.

By the end of the empire, the middle class of asset-owning commoners had been extinguished. Confiscatory taxes (ahem, ring any bells?) drove the middle class into serfdom.

Imagine this happening in present-day America: "The wealthy classes were also the first to volunteer extra taxes when they were needed."

Paging all presidential hopefuls--here's your chance to reclaim the glory of Republican Rome by volunteering to pay higher taxes. Hillary? The Donald? Anyone?

Accessibility is another measure of low barriers between the wealthy Elites and the commoners. A few corporate leaders are making an effort to be accessible to their employees. Tony Hsieh, CEO of Zappos, lives in a trailer that is often the site of meetings. Is this perfect vertical integration? No, but it's certainly a step in the right direction compared to wealthy elites buying and fortifying islands against anything but a drone/cruise missile strike.

This chart shows the number of households in each income category, broken into $5,000 segments. The last two bars to the right are those making $200,000+ annually, roughly 4% of households.

What this doesn't show is the preponderance of income/wealth in the top .1%:



We all know the barriers between the commoners and the Elite rise higher every year, despite the claims of the corporate media and the Power Elite aristocracy, which is naturally desperate to maintain the fantasy that they are "regular folks" despite their immense wealth.

The Power Elite aristocracy isn't dumb; they fully understand once the illusion of their shared purpose and identity with the commoners is shattered, their invulnerability is history.​
Extremely well said. America still has hope; We the People need to remind the elite in this country that we're all in it together. They can damn well row too, because they'll be the first to drown in the sea of revolution.

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Uncle Ben

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Pity party is over. Get your lazy ass to work and hand the keyboard back to your older brother.
 

Uncle Ben

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Extremely well said. America still has hope; We the People need to remind the elite in this country that we're all in it together. They can damn well row too, because they'll be the first to drown in the sea of revolution.

What do you think of the article?
I rowed, by myself, and made it all the way to the banks of the financial shore. Now I'm sitting all fat and happy sipping on a margarita.

What happened to you, ya whiner?

The article is a page from the same old Have-nots Bible bullshit.
 

Padawanbater2

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I rowed, by myself, and made it all the way to the banks of the financial shore. Now I'm sitting all fat and happy sipping on a margarita.

What happened to you, ya whiner?

The article is a page from the same old Have-nots Bible bullshit.
You grew up during what's called "the golden age of capitalism" here in America where all the economic policies of the time are essentially the exact same policies all the liberal members here espouse. Since 1980, economic policy has switched to a more classical, supply-side system - lower taxes on the rich, higher taxes on the poor/middle-class, the economic policies all the conservative members here support which resulted in the widening of the income/wealth gap between the rich and the poor ever since.

So you see Ben, every time you run your mouth about what a success you are and cry about how everybody else just wants handouts and free shit, you prove our point for us. We simply want the same thing you got; the equal opportunity to work hard and earn a living.

But they won't tell you that over at The Five because then they can't sell you fear.
 

Uncle Ben

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You grew up during what's called "the golden age of capitalism" here in America where all the economic policies of the time are essentially the exact same policies all the liberal members here espouse.
Bullshit. Quit you're whining and make something out of your life instead of blaming it on "the aristocracy".

.....you prove our point for us. We simply want......
And what's up with this "we" shit? You now claim to the spokesman for alllllllll the RIU libtards? You trying to garnish moral support from the little mouse swimming in your glass of Kool-aid?

 

schuylaar

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Bullshit. Quit you're whining and make something out of your life instead of blaming it on "the aristocracy".



And what's up with this "we" shit? You now claim to the spokesman for alllllllll the RIU libtards? You trying to garnish moral support from the little mouse swimming in your glass of Kool-aid?

you're an out of touch moron, ben..what do you do when you go for a shitty $12/hour job that 77 others applied to as well? you're not getting this..

back to your canned chili recipe..ewwwww..canned<piss shiver>:shock:
 

ttystikk

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you're an out of touch moron, ben..what do you do when you go for a shitty $12/hour job that 77 others applied to as well? you're not getting this..

back to your canned chili recipe..ewwwww..canned<piss shiver>:shock:
He really is too stupid to understand.
 

Padawanbater2

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schuylaar

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Rather be a rich moron than a poor one. ;)
i'd rather be rich with life..it's not all about $$$$$$..you come into this world and leave the same way..alone, wealthy moron..while the cancer eats away at your prostate, you grasp for anything..everything..a shell of what you once were, cut apart..chemically treated (it exudes from your pores and smells like death although no one will tell you) and the agony..i get to be 105..grandma is still driving at 98 in nofla..her mom drove until she was 100 and passed at 105.

my stem cells are worth their weight in gold:wink:
 

schuylaar

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Yeah? Which part exactly? The part where I said you grew up during "the golden age of capitalism"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_economic_expansion

1945-1971

Or the part where I said those are all the exact same economic policies - the ones you grew up under - that all of the liberal members here support; higher taxes on the rich and corporations and lower taxes on the poor and middle-class?



it's not that uben is ignorant, it's just knowing so much that ain't so.

:lol:
 

ttystikk

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i'd rather be rich with life..it's not all about $$$$$$..you come into this world and leave the same way..alone, wealthy moron..while the cancer eats away at your prostate, you grasp for anything..everything..a shell of what you once were, cut apart..chemically treated (it exudes from your pores and smells like death although no one will tell you) and the agony..i get to be 105..grandma is still driving at 98 in nofla..her mom drove until she was 100 and passed at 105.

my stem cells are worth their weight in gold:wink:
My grandmother lived to within 6 weeks of her 105th. I'm terrified for my retirement!
 
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