Feminized vs Regular seeds

[Darth Vapour]

lol

 

[resinousflowers420]

oh i take it your a noob fem grower then ?? cause you feel insulted ...
But really break it down as to why FEMS were really introduced Do you know really why ?? i do do you know who was the first company to introduce FEMS and for which market they were designed for ?? probably not cause sorry your a nooob
until you figure it out NOOB then you can go ahead and call me witless jack ass you fucking meat head

ive been growing for the past 10 years.i grow both regs and fems.i used to stay away from fems,but now i like them just like regs.both can herm,and ive noticed no difference in vigour,yield or quality.

 

[resinousflowers420]

regular seeds are defo stronger that is for sure because for the reason that they have to go through stress the mother to produce fem seeds,

with regular seeds the plants are not put under any stress just pick out all the females and pick the one you like the look of ,you could keep this mother around for years this is not possible with fem,well it is poss to keep a mother but far more chance of seeds in the long run

nonsense

 

[resinousflowers420]

Since the introduction of feminized seeds what we never herd of nanners, hermies have come into play tri fold and how come so much ??? you got it feminized seeds
i love how many people say Monsanto is evil yet look at feminized seeds a nothing wrong with them truth is whats the difference its GMO product you modified the genetics with silver which yields better ??? well tests have shown Reg seeds have the winning edge

But lets get into Fem seeds deep into ,, first off when you look into the DNA , what you have done is cut the genetic material in half
when you do this many things come into play for one the plant will not evolve cannot fight disease or new pathogens cause you froze that ability ..
Truth is As for S1's is your rolling the dice yes you can get lucky and most definitely you will see mutants its a guessing game
truthfully speaking so lets wait for todays new thread is this a hermie or nanner ???? and whats to odds there fem seeds //
Fem seeds are a abomination of the seed pool , a sales Gimmic nothing more
they make it sound so good who needs to worry about 50 / 50 ratio of male or fem seeds we can give you 90 percent ,, female rate haha so that person who throws out his big out door 1000 plant grow starts crying 3 - 6th week in when all the so called fem seeds start throwing nanners / or hermie on him

what the hell are you talking about,regs can herm to.thats always been the case.

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

you dont know what youre talking about.the same problems you experience with fems,you experience with regs.

 

[tokalotapot]

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

i cant totally agree on this.why cant a plant get stronger (in some rare cases). i say this with tutenkhamen from pyramid.2011 spannabis cup 33%thc highest ever and was done with a feminized seed. and it is rated higher in female form than the reg seed. but i also agree with the general agument.clones rom a fem seed is all good trust me atleast 6 yrs and counting. the fem seed problem is with the seeds of the offspring of a feminized seed. more of a hermie trait sometimes. also fem seeds have their place outdoors plug and forget till cut or for smaller ops. but i am now wanting reg seeds because of mataining a strain for years and store it in seed form and when ever needed make more every few years

 

[Jimdamick]

For me planting only fems is the way I have to live, literally, in that I need bud, not cross my finger shit, in that you will only get 4 grows a year (indoor), and that is that. I grow to eat, and have zero time for clone development/and seed sexing. You might see more variation in a plants attributes, like one will be heavy sativa, and the next one definitely taking on the Indicia attributes, using fem seeds, but so be it. I can't wait 6 weeks to figure sex, it is not worth the time and cost to gamble on a seed. Bye

 

[Dr. Who]

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

You must be confused! There is NO such thing as "genetic drift" in S1 seeds! It is an EXACT genetic copy of the mother!
The term "genetic drift" ONLY applies to normal breeding. It refers to the genetic changes in the offspring of the breeding.

Your second confusion is "clone to clone to clone shift". The only change in the plant is related to environmental conditions and their changes! There is NO genetic change in clones either!

I HAVE running plants cloned from several strains from the early 90's......No changes other them structural changes due to available lighting conditions - NO genetic changes.....I also have my own made S1's of 2 strains from the 60's. I don't have space to keep a mother or use them as a perpetual. yet I run some of each for the holidays every year......every few years I have to "self" or "back" them for more seeds......NO genetic drift - it's simply impossible!

I have 2 commercial ops. I use clones and would never use straight run seeds......My customers expect consistency and I could not do that with straight run seeds clogging my system and wasting my resources!

Backed or selfed are NOT in ANY way genetically changed! BTW, The bulk of E.U. Nations have BANNED Monsanto's GMO seeds and strains!

I run long running strains right along side short running strains.....You simply have to plan! I can't have 2 medical outlets and not have Sativa's alongside Indica's and the plethera of crossings......People want different things as not everybody wants to have only Chemdog all the time......

Doc

 

[Dr. Who]

i cant totally agree on this.why cant a plant get stronger (in some rare cases). i say this with tutenkhamen from pyramid.2011 spannabis cup 33%thc highest ever and was done with a feminized seed. and it is rated higher in female form than the reg seed. but i also agree with the general agument.clones rom a fem seed is all good trust me atleast 6 yrs and counting. the fem seed problem is with the seeds of the offspring of a feminized seed. more of a hermie trait sometimes. also fem seeds have their place outdoors plug and forget till cut or for smaller ops. but i am now wanting reg seeds because of mataining a strain for years and store it in seed form and when ever needed make more every few years

Your getting more bisexuality because of environmental conditions and not "genetic shift"!

This is one serious misconception surrounding S1's.

Doc

 

[Dr. Who]

i cant totally agree on this.why cant a plant get stronger (in some rare cases). i say this with tutenkhamen from pyramid.2011 spannabis cup 33%thc highest ever and was done with a feminized seed. and it is rated higher in female form than the reg seed. but i also agree with the general agument.clones rom a fem seed is all good trust me atleast 6 yrs and counting. the fem seed problem is with the seeds of the offspring of a feminized seed. more of a hermie trait sometimes. also fem seeds have their place outdoors plug and forget till cut or for smaller ops. but i am now wanting reg seeds because of mataining a strain for years and store it in seed form and when ever needed make more every few years

That Tut was grown right at or near the plants potential! I get higher then advertised %'s in all the time......It's all about being dialed in correctly! NOT any kind of "genetic shift"!

Doc

 

[Capt. Stickyfingers]

You must be confused! There is NO such thing as "genetic drift" in S1 seeds! It is an EXACT genetic copy of the mother!
The term "genetic drift" ONLY applies to normal breeding. It refers to the genetic changes in the offspring of the breeding.

Your second confusion is "clone to clone to clone shift". The only change in the plant is related to environmental conditions and their changes! There is NO genetic change in clones either!

I HAVE running plants cloned from several strains from the early 90's......No changes other them structural changes due to available lighting conditions - NO genetic changes.....I also have my own made S1's of 2 strains from the 60's. I don't have space to keep a mother or use them as a perpetual. yet I run some of each for the holidays every year......every few years I have to "self" or "back" them for more seeds......NO genetic drift - it's simply impossible!

I have 2 commercial ops. I use clones and would never use straight run seeds......My customers expect consistency and I could not do that with straight run seeds clogging my system and wasting my resources!

Backed or selfed are NOT in ANY way genetically changed! BTW, The bulk of E.U. Nations have BANNED Monsanto's GMO seeds and strains!

I run long running strains right along side short running strains.....You simply have to plan! I can't have 2 medical outlets and not have Sativa's alongside Indica's and the plethera of crossings......People want different things as not everybody wants to have only Chemdog all the time......

Doc

S1s are NOT an exact replica of the mother, genius. You'd know that if you really had the experience you claim to have. And you don't have 2 commercial grow ops, stop lying.

 

[Cobnobuler]

Darth what you seem to be ignoring is the fact that different people can have far different circumstances that affect how they go about growing with what they have available. Take Jimdamicks post above. It's just one of many possibilities as to why running fem seeds is what is best FOR THEM.
And to compare it to Monsanto can only go so far as well. If I use say DNA genetics, they're not going to sue me and drag me to court if I replicate their wares.

 

[a senile fungus]

S1s are NOT an exact replica of the mother, genius. You'd know that if you really had the experience you claim to have. And you don't have 2 commercial grow ops, stop lying.

He didn't say replica, he said genetic copy.

If an S1 isn't an exact genetic copy of its mother, then where did its genes come from?


Genotype vs phenotype

 

[Dr. Who]

S1s are NOT an exact replica of the mother, genius. You'd know that if you really had the experience you claim to have. And you don't have 2 commercial grow ops, stop lying.

Come out from behind your curtain again to throw some more stones?
Just what parade of yours did I piss on?

How are S1's not a genetic copy of the mother?
What "new" genetic material has been passed to make them different?

No wonder UB stays distant....He has his "haters" too......just gotta love the internet.

Doc

 

[ricky1lung]

Come out from behind your curtain again to throw some more stones?
Just what parade of yours did I piss on?

How are S1's not a genetic copy of the mother?
What "new" genetic material has been passed?

No wonder UB stays distant....

Doc

I have a question. May seem odd but hear me out.

What happens to a mother who has been seeded out then reveged and seeded with a different strain again? Will she pass on small amounts of genes from the first father to the next batch of seeds?

Human females are known to hold on to "donor" dna but I'm not sure if that would then be passed down again.

I'm wondering because I have a sd I crossed with an nl, and am reveging to cross with a kingxbb.

 

[Dr. Who]

I have a question. May seem odd but hear me out.

What happens to a mother who has been seeded out then reveged and seeded with a different strain again? Will she pass on small amounts of genes from the first father to the next batch of seeds?

Human females are known to hold on to "donor" dna but I'm not sure if that would then be passed down again.

I'm wondering because I have a sd I crossed with an nl, and am reveging to cross with a kingxbb.

No. She only retains her DNA.....The new father will bring his new ones to the table....

Doc

 

[mr sunshine]

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

Feminised seeds are natural. Mother nature has been making Feminised seeds since day one.

 

[Budley Doright]

Monsato gmo seeds are in a totally different catogory my friend, just stop lol. They are truly genetically modified, femmed seeds are not lol.

 

[tomuch]

I've myself now got 5 regular bag seeds germinating in paper. Anyhow, three have already opened up, so I'm just gonna do it the old fashioned way, and take the genepool they offer when they (with any luck) are females, at least 2 or maybe even 3 of them.
In other words, despite having used lots of clones - I've never even seen a feminized seed, and will probably never buy them - but I might grow a couple just to satisfy my curiosity: Comparing femmed and regs of the same strain and seedbank.

Yours,

Tom​

 

[Darth Vapour]

You must be confused! There is NO such thing as "genetic drift" in S1 seeds! It is an EXACT genetic copy of the mother!
The term "genetic drift" ONLY applies to normal breeding. It refers to the genetic changes in the offspring of the breeding.

Your second confusion is "clone to clone to clone shift". The only change in the plant is related to environmental conditions and their changes! There is NO genetic change in clones either!

I HAVE running plants cloned from several strains from the early 90's......No changes other them structural changes due to available lighting conditions - NO genetic changes.....I also have my own made S1's of 2 strains from the 60's. I don't have space to keep a mother or use them as a perpetual. yet I run some of each for the holidays every year......every few years I have to "self" or "back" them for more seeds......NO genetic drift - it's simply impossible!

I have 2 commercial ops. I use clones and would never use straight run seeds......My customers expect consistency and I could not do that with straight run seeds clogging my system and wasting my resources!

Backed or selfed are NOT in ANY way genetically changed! BTW, The bulk of E.U. Nations have BANNED Monsanto's GMO seeds and strains!

I run long running strains right along side short running strains.....You simply have to plan! I can't have 2 medical outlets and not have Sativa's alongside Indica's and the plethera of crossings......People want different things as not everybody wants to have only Chemdog all the time......

Doc

THink what you like when you self a plant you dead ended it there is no getting better but in fact deterioration begins facts

Is Selfing Selfing a Dead End? Dead End? „ Most phylogenetic phylogenetic studies studies indicate that indicate that selfing selfing is derived. derived. „ Arises multiple times in a Arises multiple times in a phylogeny. phylogeny. „ Predictions (from theory) and Predictions (from theory) and observations indicate that: observations indicate that: „ Selfing Selfing lineages do not lineages do not diversify. diversify. „ Selfing Selfing lineages are short lineages are short-lived. „ Exceptions…. Exceptions…. „ Evolution of Evolution of dioecy on islands. on islands.

 

[testiclees]

oh i take it your a noob fem grower then ?? cause you feel insulted ...
But really break it down as to why FEMS were really introduced Do you know really why ?? i do do you know who was the first company to introduce FEMS and for which market they were designed for ?? probably not cause sorry your a nooob
until you figure it out NOOB then you can go ahead and call me witless jack ass you fucking meat head

DV you have a long history of idiotic assholery. Stfu witless gas bag.