Is it wrong to steal food to feed your starving family?

Is it wrong to steal food to feed your starving family?

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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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"The Department of Labor estimates fraud in 2.67 percent of cases. That includes petty fraud."

http://www.dol.gov/dol/maps/Data.htm

Why would the poverty rate be the same for a family of 8 as it would be for a single individual?

You seem very confused about how poverty works, how welfare is distributed or utilized and absolutely about the amount of abuse within the system
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
"The Department of Labor estimates fraud in 2.67 percent of cases. That includes petty fraud."

http://www.dol.gov/dol/maps/Data.htm

Why would the poverty rate be the same for a family of 8 as it would be for a single individual?

You seem very confused about how poverty works, how welfare is distributed or utilized and absolutely about the amount of abuse within the system
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Yes, because the government would be the best place to ask about fraud in the system.

Fraud is intended not to be discovered. So their estimates mean shit to me...

Every employee that I have ever had (the illegal ones with legal papers) lied their asses off about the number of dependents they had. So, I think the department of labor is full of shit.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
You seem very confused about how poverty works, how welfare is distributed or utilized and absolutely about the amount of abuse within the system
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You seem confused about how poverty works.

You are born poor. You can get a job and make money. If you dont, you will be poor. You can live pretty good when you lie about your income, take money under the table in cash and declare a shitload of undocumented dependents while getting welfare benefits.

Why would the government want to discover fraud? This is a department designed to dole out welfare.... LOL!!
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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At the time it was military embroidery out of a suburb of Chicago.

Most people do not understand that employers are not allowed to question the validity of government documents under penalty of law. The government takes 4-6 months to get off it's fat ass and send back paperwork stating that the SSN or other documents provided do not match the employee by which time they are usually long gone.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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NLXSK1 said:
At the time it was military embroidery out of a suburb of Chicago.

Most people do not understand that employers are not allowed to question the validity of government documents under penalty of law. The government takes 4-6 months to get off it's fat ass and send back paperwork stating that the SSN or other documents provided do not match the employee by which time they are usually long gone.
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and you didn't use E-Verify because ????
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
Yes, because the government would be the best place to ask about fraud in the system.

Fraud is intended not to be discovered. So their estimates mean shit to me...

Every employee that I have ever had (the illegal ones with legal papers) lied their asses off about the number of dependents they had. So, I think the department of labor is full of shit.
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NLXSK1 said:
You seem confused about how poverty works.

You are born poor. You can get a job and make money. If you dont, you will be poor. You can live pretty good when you lie about your income, take money under the table in cash and declare a shitload of undocumented dependents while getting welfare benefits.

Why would the government want to discover fraud? This is a department designed to dole out welfare.... LOL!!
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None of this makes a difference because you're going to believe whatever you want to believe based on anecdotal evidence, your first post proves it. Dismissing the truth in favor of the feel-good lie is indicative of personalities like yours. So believe whatever you want, blame all the problems on poor people and think all of them are just gaming the hard working Americans out of their money. You people are completely delusional.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
None of this makes a difference because you're going to believe whatever you want to believe based on anecdotal evidence, your first post proves it. Dismissing the truth in favor of the feel-good lie is indicative of personalities like yours. So believe whatever you want, blame all the problems on poor people and think all of them are just gaming the hard working Americans out of their money. You people are completely delusional.
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If they know the exact rate of fraud, why isn't it 0%...?
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
Western world has food stamps and the WIC program, free school lunches and other things to ensure children are fed. Adults too. I saw a girl at the dollar store. Basket full of cheese puffs, energy drinks, and other stuff. She used an EBT card. And she asked to get $7 cash back. It's all good bro. It's the system. But kids deserve food. They are entitled to food. Adults find the work around sure, but the programs, ever how flawed, are in place for those who cannot provide for themselves. I've never been on any program. I choose to man up, contribute and provide for myself. It's all a tricky balance for sure.
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The messed up thing is that money spent on junk, could of went towards coffee, lunchmeat, bread, eggs, cheese, bagels, peanut butter, and chicken.

Those are like staples in my house. Plus I have condiments, seasonings, juice, fruit, frozen vegetables, noodles...

You can get a lot of meals worth of food if you don't spend your money on empty calorie junk food.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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King Arthur said:
You ask me to tell you who is starving and then tell me the parents are pieces of shits, how about you take your head out your ass and go look up the information yourself.

I am sitting here contributing to the political discussion not trolling like an assblaster.
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My friend gets foodstamps. She buys snacks type foods and BOTTLED drinks from the corner store like every day with the EBT.

They also spend their cash on fast food. I have seen them spend 100-150$ on fast food a week.

Then they don't have money to buy mattress protectors, bottle nipples, clothes for work..

It's just rediculous.
 
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ChesusRice

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NLXSK1 said:
At the time it was military embroidery out of a suburb of Chicago.

Most people do not understand that employers are not allowed to question the validity of government documents under penalty of law. The government takes 4-6 months to get off it's fat ass and send back paperwork stating that the SSN or other documents provided do not match the employee by which time they are usually long gone.
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E verify takes less than 3 minutes
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ginwilly said:
100 people collect welfare
20 persons commit fraud
1 person gets caught
1% fraud
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Aah, that's what I thought Harrekin was getting at..

OK, so you guys don't believe the numbers. What do you base that on? That you think the department of labor would lie about it to make it seem like there is less fraud being committed than there actually is, right? OK, so where's the evidence of this?

This is the problem. This is what I was getting at earlier, we can disagree about anything, but when one side starts throwing out objective data because they just don't accept it as the truth because they hate the administration or whatever, that's when you get relegated to the kids table. We have shit like science for a reason, so that in cases where I think I'm right and you think you're right, there is an objective source to look to to see who is actually right. When that source says I'm right, you guys don't believe it, don't acknowledge it, dismiss it, throw it out.

This is the one thing that pisses me off the most about these issues. Your side can't accept when they're wrong, about anything, ever.
 
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