Blair and Bush created ISIL

[Jimdamick]

The ex - PM of Great Britain, Tony Blair, admitted that he and GW Bush, were partially responsible for the creation of ISIL. (Really?)
LONDON (Reuters) - Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair acknowledged the 2003 invasion of Iraq played a part in the rise of the Islamic State militant group, and apologized for some mistakes in planning the war, in an interview broadcast on Sunday.
Blair's decision to send troops to back the U.S.-led invasion is still a live political issue in Britain, where a six-year public inquiry into the conflict is yet to publish its findings. [ID:nL5N1113IL]

Asked whether the offensive was the principal cause of the rise of Islamic State, which now controls large areas of Iraq and neighboring Syria, Blair said there were "elements of truth" in that.

"Of course, you can't say that those of us who removed (former Iraqi dictator) Saddam (Hussein) in 2003 bear no responsibility for the situation in 2015," Blair told U.S. network CNN.

This is in stark contrast to statements by GW Bush ( BooBoo to his family and friends) who has said it has no bearing on ISIL's formation, and he would invade Iraq again in a heartbeat, and it seems that 53% of the American voters (dumbest fucks on the planet, and there's the proof) agree with him according to the latest Gallup poll

So, this is my question to the many conservative stoners on this site ( who would believe?) who liked Bush, and are part of that 53% that pine for the old days when that N word (I'm getting better) wasn't in the White House What do you think? Was it worth it to kill Hussein, even though ISIS was a direct result, or did you fuck up and your sorry you voted for Bush,( probably twice, right?) Come on, stand up for your convictions, and tell the truth.

 

[bravedave]

The invasion of Iraq is part of the historical path by which ISIL came about. That said, Obama's decision to leave Iraq obviously was the main catalyst in ISIL's creation. Obama responding to them like they WERE just a JV team caused them to flourish and caused Obama to lose the peace. If we still had relevant forces in Iraq, Syria's issue would be quite different also. Maybe even to the point of Obama not looking like/becoming a complete idiot.

Bottom line(s), ISIL did not exist in 2008. I realize it is difficult for lefttists to get out of the "blame Bush" habit, but ISIL is all about Obama's incompetence in world affairs and as a leader.

 

[Bugeye]

Seems like Muhammed had a strong influence on ISIS.

 

[althor]

At some point you should grow up and quit blaming everything on someone from 12 years ago.
Were you even voting age 12 years ago?

I am beginning to think some of these people who cannot let go of Bush have some kind of raging man crush on him or something. It is bordering obsession.

Also, you do know that Bush only did what Bill Clinton told him he needed to do.

 

[althor]

Aren't you the same guy who is wanting to go to war and kill everyone ALL THE TIME? You got some serious issues man.

 

[Jimdamick]

At some point you should grow up and quit blaming everything on someone from 12 years ago.
Were you even voting age 12 years ago?

I am beginning to think some of these people who cannot let go of Bush have some kind of raging man crush on him or something. It is bordering obsession.

Also, you do know that Bush only did what Bill Clinton told him he needed to do.

Why do yo want to deny facts? The main point is that Blair admitted he and Bush helped to create ISIL, and as far as voting 11 (not 12) years ago, yes I did, against your butt buddy, and voted to stop Bush, which I suppose you didn't apparently. As far as letting it go, I am reminded of Bush's actions every fucking day. You just wish that everyone will forget about that asshole Bush, but you know what, it is Impossible, BECAUSE HIS FUCKED UP LEGACY LIVES ON, and as far as using Bill Clinton as an excuse, you have to be kidding me, but then again, you, as a Republican just love blaming the other guy as an excuse, and NEVER take responsibility for their own actions as you do now, it's everyone's else's fault, not mine. Yada, fucking yada.

 

[Jimdamick]

Aren't you the same guy who is wanting to go to war and kill everyone ALL THE TIME? You got some serious issues man.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[ricky1lung]

It would seem the ME was more stable before the invasion of Iraq.

 

[woody333333]

At some point you should grow up and quit blaming everything on someone from 12 years ago.
Were you even voting age 12 years ago?

I am beginning to think some of these people who cannot let go of Bush have some kind of raging man crush on him or something. It is bordering obsession.

Also, you do know that Bush only did what Bill Clinton told him he needed to do.

You sure didn't watch that speech

 

[althor]

What the fuck are you talking about?

http://rollitup.org/t/russia-needs-a-beating.887668/page-4#post-12005968

Hypocrit.

 

[althor]

You sure didn't watch that speech

3:46 he says clear evidence they have a WMD program.
Well here then....
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Democrats were all about taking Saddam out. Revisionist history....

 

[althor]

Why do yo want to deny facts? The main point is that Blair admitted he and Bush helped to create ISIL, and as far as voting 11 (not 12) years ago, yes I did, against your butt buddy, and voted to stop Bush, which I suppose you didn't apparently. As far as letting it go, I am reminded of Bush's actions every fucking day. You just wish that everyone will forget about that asshole Bush, but you know what, it is Impossible, BECAUSE HIS FUCKED UP LEGACY LIVES ON, and as far as using Bill Clinton as an excuse, you have to be kidding me, but then again, you, as a Republican just love blaming the other guy as an excuse, and NEVER take responsibility for their own actions as you do now, it's everyone's else's fault, not mine. Yada, fucking yada.

That isn't what he said... Way to twist it to fit your agenda. Keep trying warmonger.


HAHAHA and you say I am the one BLAMING OTHERS, wow you are out of your mind.

 

[bravedave]

It would seem the ME was more stable before the invasion of Iraq.

May be true...but definately more stable at the point Obama took the reigns...because then...
Libya was turned into a leaderless hellhole.
Egypt's arab spring worsened our standing there.
Iran's Arab Spring was ignored by O bama causing the death of many innocents looking for freedom.
Syria's erupts and Obama looks like a weak loser with his faux ultimatums.
The Iran deal emboldened Iran and shit on our relationships with allies.

Try as you might to project the problem on previous administrations, Obama has been a disaster and he owns the ME problems.

 

[woody333333]

3:46 he says clear evidence they have a WMD program.
Well here then....
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Democrats were all about taking Saddam out. Revisionist history....

He was talking about inspections not a holy war

 

[Jimdamick]

3:46 he says clear evidence they have a WMD program.
Well here then....
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Democrats were all about taking Saddam out. Revisionist history....

Based on shit provided the by the CIA, which Chaney pumped up to suit his and Bushes agendas.

 

[ricky1lung]

May be true...but definately more stable at the point Obama took the reigns...because then...
Libya was turned into a leaderless hellhole.
Egypt's arab spring worsened our standing there.
Iran's Arab Spring was ignored by O bama causing the death of many innocents looking for freedom.
Syria's erupts and Obama looks like a weak loser with his faux ultimatums.
The Iran deal emboldened Iran and shit on our relationships with allies.

Try as you might to project the problem on previous administrations, Obama has been a disaster and he owns the ME problems.

What should have been done differently and by who?

 

[Jimdamick]

http://rollitup.org/t/russia-needs-a-beating.887668/page-4#post-12005968

Hypocrit.

That makes me a "hypocrit", to say that a nation (Russia), that seemly is intent on supporting a dictator, is wrong, and the people that are being bombed have a right to defend themselves? Keep on trying to change the subject, like all Republicans do
when they fuck up. Obama, Obama , Obama. Getting very fuckin old, and one reason another Clinton will win the White House, to get that nasty Republican taste out of their mouths. Wanna bet? Oh, by the way, Hypocrite is spelled Hypocrite, not Hypocrit. If your not sure, Dictonaries are useful.

 

[Jimdamick]

What should have been done differently and by who?

Personally, I had no problem with Hussain if he wanted to kill his people over there, or Iranians (who were we supporting then?). that's his deal. not mine. Stay the fuck out of all that shit, because all it has caused has been more people burning American flags, and thinking Putin is a God. Another good job by the idiot fucking Republicans, who today, again, are leading the charge to put "boots on the ground" in Syria. (good question, ricky)

 

[althor]

That makes me a "hypocrit", to say that a nation (Russia), that seemly is intent on supporting a dictator, is wrong, and the people that are being bombed have a right to defend themselves? Keep on trying to change the subject, like all Republicans do
when they fuck up. Obama, Obama , Obama. Getting very fuckin old, and one reason another Clinton will win the White House, to get that nasty Republican taste out of their mouths. Wanna bet? Oh, by the way, Hypocrite is spelled Hypocrite, not Hypocrit. If your not sure, Dictonaries are useful.

Exact definition! Jeez.... Warmonger.

 

[Jimdamick]

The invasion of Iraq is part of the historical path by which ISIL came about. That said, Obama's decision to leave Iraq obviously was the main catalyst in ISIL's creation. Obama responding to them like they WERE just a JV team caused them to flourish and caused Obama to lose the peace. If we still had relevant forces in Iraq, Syria's issue would be quite different also. Maybe even to the point of Obama not looking like/becoming a complete idiot.

Bottom line(s), ISIL did not exist in 2008. I realize it is difficult for lefttists to get out of the "blame Bush" habit, but ISIL is all about Obama's incompetence in world affairs and as a leader.

You really mean that because democratic (lol) Iraq DEMANDED THE US LEAVE, AND WAS AGREED UPON ON BY BUSH, NOT OBAMA, that it is not Bush's fault that Iraq turned into a pile of shit Try again.