Ben Carson says he would “intensify” the war on drugs

vitamin_green_inc

vitamin_green_inc

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Yeah, that's the real issue. Generations of Blacks have been kept in poverty and kept on the outside of society because of convictions for MJ. I don't see how people can not say, "this law was created as a racist tool by the elite." And then we don't do something about it...#blacklivesmatter, well then get on board with decriminalization. Blacks are 3x as likely to be arrested for MJ. The black population is 20% or higher in poverty. I see a correlation between these two, but maybe I am just bitter .
Btw, what can the president do for MJ? Umm anything and everything. It's not constitutional, therefore it's not in the hands of the Supreme Court, the decision lies with the Executive Branch which is headed by....
 
Flaming Pie

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I would really like a discussion on the President's role in legalization vs the Congress.

I know the president can urge congress to act and elect a compassionate DEA head. What else can he do tho?

Does the head of the DEA make unilateral decisions for the whole department?
 
abandonconflict

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Flaming Pie said:
After doing some more research on Ben and marijuana, my thoughts are:

1. He is correct that MOST teens and young adults should probably stay away from marijuana as it has been shown to have a effect on the developing brain. (I remember reading up on that several months back when in a thread about letting your teens smoke)

2. I personally think (I don't have the research at the moment to support, but I will look into it) that marijuana in young adults couldn't be more harmful than alcohol or even caffiene.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2965487/
Results confirm previous studies linking adolescent heavy drinking to reduced verbal learning and memory performance. However, this relationship is not seen in adolescents with similar levels of alcohol involvement who also are heavy users of marijuana.
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Hold on, I'll link another peer reviewed study, there are several and also a couple which point to the therapeutic benefits against epilepsy and multiple sclerosis. I just have to find them. The only danger to developing brains is that latent bipolar disorder and/or schizophrenia may be present and cannabis use may cause them to show. This has been twisted to form the argument that cannabis use causes schizophrenia and bipolar disorder in teens, but that is not the case.
 
abandonconflict

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You'd be surprised at the amount of peer reviewed studies out there. I am actually having trouble finding a link to the exact study I'm looking for. However, it's easy to find news articles touting FDA approval for clinical trial of a drug called Epidiolex on pre-adolescent children with severe forms of epilepsy. I'm surprised that Ben Carson would not be aware of the benefits that are being touted as near miraculous where all other drugs have shown such dismal results. Isn't he a pediatric neurosurgeon? Epilepsy is a neurological disorder isn't it?

I would encourage you to do your own research on it, with emphasis on the extremely debilitating epileptic seizures that these kids are having dozens of times per day.
 
abandonconflict

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Flaming Pie said:
I would really like a discussion on the President's role in legalization vs the Congress.

I know the president can urge congress to act and elect a compassionate DEA head. What else can he do tho?

Does the head of the DEA make unilateral decisions for the whole department?
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The Attorney General can unilaterally reschedule administratively without an act of congress. Congress can also pass a bill to have changes made to the Controlled Substances Act. So far Congress has been blocking most of the bills put forth by its members such as the one by Barney Frank and Ron Paul a few years back. There is a pending petition to the AG's office by two state governors (not sure which) but that is still pending.

Back to the underlined. The AG is hand picked by the president and is a high ranking member of his administration. So this begs the question, why didn't Barack Obama simply order Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch to get started?

My guess is that he just doesn't want to. Maybe he figures he just doesn't want his legacy to be the guy who legalized it. He never promised he would. I for one am grateful for the progress that he has allowed, and make no mistake, he has allowed it. He might do it at the last minute of his presidency, but in any case, we better pick our next POTUS wisely.

Canada is about to legalize from what I hear.
 
bearkat42

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abandonconflict said:
You'd be surprised at the amount of peer reviewed studies out there. I am actually having trouble finding a link to the exact study I'm looking for. However, it's easy to find news articles touting FDA approval for clinical trial of a drug called Epidiolex on pre-adolescent children with severe forms of epilepsy. I'm surprised that Ben Carson would not be aware of the benefits that are being touted as near miraculous where all other drugs have shown such dismal results. Isn't he a pediatric neurosurgeon? Epilepsy is a neurological disorder isn't it?

I would encourage you to do your own research on it, with emphasis on the extremely debilitating epileptic seizures that these kids are having dozens of times per day.
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Been Carson doesn't give a damn about its benefits. He's trying to get elected, and he knows that his bat-shit base doesn't like weed.
 
vitamin_green_inc

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It shows how little these candidates care about a potential life saver(literally) and in terms of jobs and economic boost a life saver(figuratively)...there is a reason it is not on their debate schedules as a question.

There is a reason Ben Carsons bumper stickers say heal, because he is a surgeon. Yet he knows so little about the medical benefits of cannabis it's disturbing. He is not only ignorant, he is biased against it, without even knowing about it, that's a sin of any awakened person to commit.

The universal healthcare act was initially run to target around 40 million Americans, but over 100 million Americans have admitted to being around cannabis or trying it...there is a reason that cannabis is not a decider in the presidential election...this is especially astonishing seeing as how last election-2012- around 120 million Americans voted.
 
Padawanbater2

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Flaming Pie said:
After doing some more research on Ben and marijuana, my thoughts are:

1. He is correct that MOST teens and young adults should probably stay away from marijuana as it has been shown to have a effect on the developing brain. (I remember reading up on that several months back when in a thread about letting your teens smoke)

2. I personally think (I don't have the research at the moment to support, but I will look into it) that marijuana in young adults couldn't be more harmful than alcohol or even caffiene.

3. He needs to take a second look and take another approach to recreational cannabis or he will lose many votes. I don't know if it would be enough to lose the nomination/election, but he should look again.

4. Perhaps people who were interested in him before his "intensify" comment, should post on his twitter or something for him to reconsider his stance on recreational marijuana.
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He can't really change his stance on marijuana without alienating his conservative base. He's kind of pigeon-holed himself on this issue.
 
Flaming Pie

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abandonconflict said:
The Attorney General can unilaterally reschedule administratively without an act of congress. Congress can also pass a bill to have changes made to the Controlled Substances Act. So far Congress has been blocking most of the bills put forth by its members such as the one by Barney Frank and Ron Paul a few years back. There is a pending petition to the AG's office by two state governors (not sure which) but that is still pending.

Back to the underlined. The AG is hand picked by the president and is a high ranking member of his administration. So this begs the question, why didn't Barack Obama simply order Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch to get started?

My guess is that he just doesn't want to. Maybe he figures he just doesn't want his legacy to be the guy who legalized it. He never promised he would. I for one am grateful for the progress that he has allowed, and make no mistake, he has allowed it. He might do it at the last minute of his presidency, but in any case, we better pick our next POTUS wisely.

Canada is about to legalize from what I hear.
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All good stuff to know. Thank you.
 
Flaming Pie

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bearkat42 said:
Been Carson doesn't give a damn about its benefits. He's trying to get elected, and he knows that his bat-shit base doesn't like weed.
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They do have advisors that advise them on what to say. Could very well be they told him to not support Marijuana because Republicans don't vote for mj supportive candidates.


Ron Paul said everything up front and got left behind in the polls, his son isn't faring any better.

I do hope he will expand on his statements. My mom just told me today that he picks one question a week on his Facebook page to answer. Might be worth a shot.
 
potroastV2

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There is legislation awaiting approval by Congress called the CARERS Act, and one of the provisions is that it will move Cannabis to Schedule 2, and de-schedule CBD products completely.

If you have not advised your Rep to vote for it, please do so.

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Flaming Pie said:
I would really like a discussion on the President's role in legalization vs the Congress.

I know the president can urge congress to act and elect a compassionate DEA head. What else can he do tho?

Does the head of the DEA make unilateral decisions for the whole department?
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DEA is enforcement. The FDA decides what's 'cool' and what's not. It absolutely must be rescheduled first.
 
Flaming Pie

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What do you guys think of this?

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/posts/2015/02/13-how-to-reschedule-marijuana-hudak-wallack

rollitup said:
There is legislation awaiting approval by Congress called the CARERS Act, and one of the provisions is that it will move Cannabis to Schedule 2, and de-schedule CBD products completely.

If you have not advised your Rep to vote for it, please do so.

:mrgreen:
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Will definitely be looking into that tomorrow.

I believe you can just go to your state page and email the reps?
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Damn.. this was sobering.

Until the United Nations Commission on Narcotic Drugs (CND), which itself cannot proceed without first receiving recommendation from the World Health Organization (WHO), takes some action on cannabis, the United States will face an obligation to maintain and enforce federal criminal sanctionsagainst most forms of recreational cannabis use, regardless of marijuana’s scheduling. Indeed, the Controlled Substances Act obligates the Attorney General to set controls on cannabis consistent with the requirements of the conventions.
 
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