I need some advice. CalMag issues, cramped room.

SourD420

SourD420

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Hey everyone so basically my room is completely packed right now. Im at day 17 of flower and there is a nice amount of little grape sized buds. I either wasnt feeding enough nutes all together or just wasnt feeding enough calmag as im starting to get the classic deficiencies you see with coco. Pots are a bit too small for the plants. Not using any co2. I slacked on this grow and should have done some things differently. Its my first grow in awhile, definitely shaking the rust off.

Basically what i need advice on is whether i should chop down one of the plants with the worst deficiencies and then i can give the plants a little more space and they can get a little better light. Or should i just keep them all in place and ride this grow out. The plants are pretty much all touching as of right now. They are also not supported in any way by a trellis, stakes, cages, ect...So yesterday when i went to try and rotate one of my biggest sativas it started leaning really hard making me worry about branches breaking in the near future. I ended up tieing some of its branches together to help it support itself and it seems ok for now. I kind of just want to leave them how they are. l feel like if try to move any around or cut one down some might start leaning again since it seems they are supporting eachother a little bit. But at the same time i feel like i might be able to get a better yield and harvest if some of the healthier plants got better light rather than the ones with the calmag issues and i can also allow better air movement and less humidity to accumulate since i really need to watch the humidity levels in the coming weeks. What would you do in my situation?

Also since i noticed the calmag issues i bumped up the calmag from 2ml per gallon to now 5ml per gallon. Im using mills nutrients including vitalize and following the light feeding schedule. Im adding bud candy and a couple benni's. I have a suspicion that the cal mag issues might have come from me not keeping up on watering like i should have and the coco has got dry a few a times but i still up'd the calmag to try and help. Any advice or will they be ok?

I appreciate any and all help you can give! Thanks everyone. Let me know if i left any details out that i should have included.
 
vostok

vostok

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Budget is shot to hell!

use 9, 3 usgallon pots to your 400/600w HPS thats a rough 9 pails

to the square yard or meter,to 3ft plus high in 3 months,

allow 1 usgallon of soil per month the plants are with you

increase venting, potting up should relief mg concerns

like Hotrod^^^ avoid RO water the price is too high?
 
SourD420

SourD420

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hotrodharley said:
Tap water or RO?
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RO.
vostok said:
Budget is shot to hell!

use 9, 3 usgallon pots to your 400/600w HPS thats a rough 9 pails

to the square yard or meter,to 3ft plus high in 3 months,

allow 1 usgallon of soil per month the plants are with you

increase venting, potting up should relief mg concerns

like Hotrod^^^ avoid RO water the price is too high?
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Im not really sure what you are saying? I had a longer veg than i planned for which is the reason i didnt use bigger pots. I would have transplanted into bigger pots before flower but they were getting too tall i had to flip to flower. Ill be switching things up next round im just trying to make this run go as smoothly as i possibly can with the issues i have
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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SourD420 said:
RO.

Im not really sure what you are saying? I had a longer veg than i planned for which is the reason i didnt use bigger pots. I would have transplanted into bigger pots before flower but they were getting too tall i had to flip to flower. Ill be switching things up next round im just trying to make this run go as smoothly as i possibly can with the issues i have
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Pics would really help. HID off if possible.
 
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The Nine

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SourD420 said:
Hey everyone so basically my room is completely packed right now. Im at day 17 of flower and there is a nice amount of little grape sized buds. I either wasnt feeding enough nutes all together or just wasnt feeding enough calmag as im starting to get the classic deficiencies you see with coco. Pots are a bit too small for the plants. Not using any co2. I slacked on this grow and should have done some things differently. Its my first grow in awhile, definitely shaking the rust off.

Basically what i need advice on is whether i should chop down one of the plants with the worst deficiencies and then i can give the plants a little more space and they can get a little better light. Or should i just keep them all in place and ride this grow out. The plants are pretty much all touching as of right now. They are also not supported in any way by a trellis, stakes, cages, ect...So yesterday when i went to try and rotate one of my biggest sativas it started leaning really hard making me worry about branches breaking in the near future. I ended up tieing some of its branches together to help it support itself and it seems ok for now. I kind of just want to leave them how they are. l feel like if try to move any around or cut one down some might start leaning again since it seems they are supporting eachother a little bit. But at the same time i feel like i might be able to get a better yield and harvest if some of the healthier plants got better light rather than the ones with the calmag issues and i can also allow better air movement and less humidity to accumulate since i really need to watch the humidity levels in the coming weeks. What would you do in my situation?

Also since i noticed the calmag issues i bumped up the calmag from 2ml per gallon to now 5ml per gallon. Im using mills nutrients including vitalize and following the light feeding schedule. Im adding bud candy and a couple benni's. I have a suspicion that the cal mag issues might have come from me not keeping up on watering like i should have and the coco has got dry a few a times but i still up'd the calmag to try and help. Any advice or will they be ok?

I appreciate any and all help you can give! Thanks everyone. Let me know if i left any details out that i should have included.
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I had a similar issue years back, the room get so full you cant get in there without damaging the plants.
Unfortunately, you do have to get in there and get brutal in my opinion.
I got some trellis netting, forced the plants aside and let them fall against each other, so I could get in there. (heartbreaking but pro-action is essential now)
Attach your trellis on the far wall of your room and about a meter (3.5 feet) down each side wall.
Then gently reposition your pots back into place under the trellis (putting the best plants in the hardest to reach places)and feed the tops of the plants through the trellis, allowing even spacing.

Continue this process until you are back at the door and the trellis is in place, and all the plants are spaced nicely within the trellis openings.
You should be left at the end with the worst plants as you finish and your room is full of evenly spaced but now supported branches. Dont cram any plants in at the end.
If they all fit nicely then great, if not discard the worst or re-site them.
Its a really stressful shit job that has to be done NOW, not when they are falling over and sticky under the weight of the large colas, which they definitely will do.

what watering system do you use by the way?
are your plants getting an even amount distributed between pots at feed time?
I'm asking to try and understand what is causing deficiency in some and not others..

Im not a pro grower, Im just offering my advice from my own personal expreince
 
SourD420

SourD420

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The Nine said:
I had a similar issue years back, the room get so full you cant get in there without damaging the plants.
Unfortunately, you do have to get in there and get brutal in my opinion.
I got some trellis netting, forced the plants aside and let them fall against each other, so I could get in there. (heartbreaking but pro-action is essential now)
Attach your trellis on the far wall of your room and about a meter (3.5 feet) down each side wall.
Then gently reposition your pots back into place under the trellis (putting the best plants in the hardest to reach places)and feed the tops of the plants through the trellis, allowing even spacing.

Continue this process until you are back at the door and the trellis is in place, and all the plants are spaced nicely within the trellis openings.
You should be left at the end with the worst plants as you finish and your room is full of evenly spaced but now supported branches. Dont cram any plants in at the end.
If they all fit nicely then great, if not discard the worst or re-site them.
Its a really stressful shit job that has to be done NOW, not when they are falling over and sticky under the weight of the large colas, which they definitely will do.

what watering system do you use by the way?
are your plants getting an even amount distributed between pots at feed time?
I'm asking to try and understand what is causing deficiency in some and not others..

Im not a pro grower, Im just offering my advice from my own personal expreince
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You are right i need to put a trellis up. The plant i tied up ended up falling over in the middle of the night!. Im just hand watering this run. Watering twice a day now but for the last couple weeks i let them get way too dry a few times and i think that is where the deficiencies came from. I have 4 different strains. Slymer(chernobyl), super sour diesel, violator kush, and souther'n comfort(mass. super skunk crosses with dirty dawg). The slymer are the biggest plants and also dry out the fastest. They are also the plants with the worst calmag issues but have the frostiest buds so far. The next biggest are the southern comforts but they look great. I bumped the cal mag up to 5ml per gallon for about a week and now i just dropped it back down to 2ml per gallon and bumped the base nutes up a little bit.
How do you suggest i attach the trellis to the drywall with minimal damage?
 
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hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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SourD420 said:
Do you think it i need to chop down a plant that i should chop one of the ones with the worst calmag issues even tho it would be one with the frostiest buds? Do you know if the calmag issues will affect yield/quality alot?
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If you are having uptake issues it will affect them to some degree. I wouldn't chop until the plant says it cannot be helped anymore.

Have you seen this pic before?

 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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I get so much shit about my "hangup" on pH. As a retired RN I cannot ignore science. Having worked in dialysis - where water IS equal to the level of quality in patient care every single minute - I cannot discount the use of RO water to eliminate any goddamned thing related to tap water.

With your RO water check your present pH level and let s know what it is.
 
fandango

fandango

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SourD420 said:
You are right i need to put a trellis up. The plant i tied up ended up falling over in the middle of the night!. Im just hand watering this run. Watering twice a day now but for the last couple weeks i let them get way too dry a few times and i think that is where the deficiencies came from. I have 4 different strains. Slymer(chernobyl), super sour diesel, violator kush, and souther'n comfort(mass. super skunk crosses with dirty dawg). The slymer are the biggest plants and also dry out the fastest. They are also the plants with the worst calmag issues but have the frostiest buds so far. The next biggest are the southern comforts but they look great. I bumped the cal mag up to 5ml per gallon for about a week and now i just dropped it back down to 2ml per gallon and bumped the base nutes up a little bit.
How do you suggest i attach the trellis to the drywall with minimal damage?
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Find a stud and use a drywall screw,easy patch with spackle.
I think next round you would benefit using a drip system when running coco
 
SourD420

SourD420

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hotrodharley said:
If you are having uptake issues it will affect them to some degree. I wouldn't chop until the plant says it cannot be helped anymore.

Have you seen this pic before?

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Yes i have. Im pretty confident my deficiency issues are from letting the coco dry out too much. Im not sure if you are familiar with coco or not but when it gets too dry it will lock up cal and mag and give off excess potassium. I know what caused the problem im just not sure if i should add more calmag to help them bounce back or if i should just continue with my normal feed and just make sure i dont let them get too dry again
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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SourD420 said:
Yes i have. Im pretty confident my deficiency issues are from letting the coco dry out too much. Im not sure if you are familiar with coco or not but when it gets too dry it will lock up cal and mag and give off excess potassium. I know what caused the problem im just not sure if i should add more calmag to help them bounce back or if i should just continue with my normal feed and just make sure i dont let them get too dry again
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Whatever the plants respond to in a positive manner!
 
fandango

fandango

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hotrodharley said:
I get so much shit about my "hangup" on pH. As a retired RN I cannot ignore science. Having worked in dialysis - where water IS equal to the level of quality in patient care every single minute - I cannot discount the use of RO water to eliminate any goddamned thing related to tap water.

With your RO water check your present pH level and let s know what it is.
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Cigar smoking RN....cool beans
 
SourD420

SourD420

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fandango said:
Find a stud and use a drywall screw,easy patch with spackle.
I think next round you would benefit using a drip system when running coco
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I agree with you. This run was super unorganized and i just needed to figure out which strains im going to keep and i ended up having too many plants to begin with which messed me up. Next run i plan to either get some kind of tables or atleast some kind of automated watering system
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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SourD420 said:
I agree with you. This run was super unorganized and i just needed to figure out which strains im going to keep and i ended up having too many plants fo begin with which messed me up. Next run i plan to either get some kind of tables or atleast some kind of automated watering system
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Ebb and flow rocks! Good timers and good housekeeping and you are good to go. Unless the power goes out for an extended period while you are away.
 
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