What's wrong with the economy? (poll)

What's wrong with the economy?

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ginwilly

ginwilly

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We have a gluttony of unskilled labor supply in this country without enough demand for it.

I've got a million pet rocks in my yard but there is no demand to buy them. If I had a million orders but no rocks then my problem would be supply.

Why are resources like diamonds, gold and pearls so costly? The demand for those products. (plus excellent marketing driving that demand, but still, it's the demand that drives prices up).

People need to work for the economy to hum along. If there was more demand for unskilled labor we'd be working.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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ttystikk said:
The only other option is that We the People assert our power over the Federal Government and drive the corruption out.

Look, just because we've legalized practices that even in kindergarten would be rightly called corrupt doesn't make the activities themselves any less corrosive to the country as a while.

'Tragedy of the Commons' is going to be the epitaph of our country if we don't reign in rampant greed and lust for power.

And it's up to us. You, @Rrog, and me, and every other CITIZEN of this country. No one else. We can't phone this one in, can't let 'someone else' show up to be arrested at the protest march.
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Vote for Hillary!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ChesusRice said:
Interesting fact.
Most of the Mega mansions built on the east coast were all prior to income tax legislation
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That's because they were built during the LAST Gilded Age, before income taxes were first enacted. Even with today's fortunes, the Vanderbilt estate could never be equaled...

Today, they just buy more jets and yachts.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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ttystikk said:
That's because they were built during the LAST Gilded Age, before income taxes were first enacted. Even with today's fortunes, the Vanderbilt estate could never be equaled...

Today, they just buy more jets and yachts.
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I read Vanderbilt would be worth 340B in today's money and a handful of others were worth the equivalent of over 100Billion.

They got a lot of their wealth through insider manipulation with the railroad. The government got involved connecting the Trans-Pacific to the east coast and eminent domained the shit outta people. The guys who owned the railroad would buy up the property where the railroad was going for next to nothing and flip part of it to the government way above what they paid and where towns were going up around the stations, they owned everything. They played it on both sides, they would buy property in places the railroad wasn't going, spread rumors that it was and sell to people trying to follow their lead.

Brigham Young helped build his empire through the railroad and deals with our government.

Our railroad system was probably the most vile example of cronyism in our short history. Sorry for rambling, the history of the railroads fascinated me as a kid. Brigham Young was a badass. I know most everyone knows of the Chinese contributions (and what they went through) but most don't know the Irish were penny laborers for the railroad too and treated almost as poorly as the Chinese.

From what I've read, Grant was very involved, it was his mission to the moon at all costs.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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Low supply of jobs that can't meet the demand for good paying work.

Rich 1% tax evading Cayman Island greedy bastards moving the jobs out of the country... and then put their windfall profits in banks out of the country... then form super pacs to keep the status quo...

The middle class is shrinking... corporations consider good jobs and their worker's health benefits to be collateral damage in the way of profits...

Economy runs on consumer confidence... and middle class spending, and a working middle class generates tax revenue...
But the rich corporations now have more rights than individuals, and they keep merging into bigger companies... they control politics and get favorable laws enacted, favorable supreme court decisions... they get foreign workers to make their products overseas at slave labor wages in unsafe conditions... and then charge as much as if they were made here... and reward the CEO with a total compensation package of $54 million... for cutting/moving jobs, since they have no real innovative ideas...

but other than that, the economy is fine...until the next big bank crash and next round of unrestricted bailouts... or the next wasteful war against somebody on the other side of the globe, before we pay off the last 2...while telling sick vets that shit they breathed over there has nothing to do with that bizarre illness they now have...
 
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ChesusRice

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Low supply of jobs that can't meet the demand for good paying work.

Rich 1% tax evading Cayman Island greedy bastards moving the jobs out of the country... and then put their windfall profits in banks out of the country... then form super pacs to keep the status quo...

The middle class is shrinking... corporations consider good jobs and their worker's health benefits to be collateral damage in the way of profits...

Economy runs on consumer confidence... and middle class spending, and a working middle class generates tax revenue...
But the rich corporations now have more rights than individuals, and they keep merging into bigger companies... they control politics and get favorable laws enacted, favorable supreme court decisions... they get foreign workers to make their products overseas at slave labor wages in unsafe conditions... and then charge as much as if they were made here... and reward the CEO with a total compensation package of $54 million... for cutting/moving jobs, since they have no real innovative ideas...

but other than that, the economy is fine...until the next big bank crash and next round of unrestricted bailouts... or the next wasteful war against somebody on the other side of the globe, before we pay off the last 2...while telling sick vets that shit they breathed over there has nothing to do with that bizarre illness they now have...
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I agree with this 100%
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Low supply of jobs that can't meet the demand for good paying work.

Rich 1% tax evading Cayman Island greedy bastards moving the jobs out of the country... and then put their windfall profits in banks out of the country... then form super pacs to keep the status quo...

The middle class is shrinking... corporations consider good jobs and their worker's health benefits to be collateral damage in the way of profits...

Economy runs on consumer confidence... and middle class spending, and a working middle class generates tax revenue...
But the rich corporations now have more rights than individuals, and they keep merging into bigger companies... they control politics and get favorable laws enacted, favorable supreme court decisions... they get foreign workers to make their products overseas at slave labor wages in unsafe conditions... and then charge as much as if they were made here... and reward the CEO with a total compensation package of $54 million... for cutting/moving jobs, since they have no real innovative ideas...

but other than that, the economy is fine...until the next big bank crash and next round of unrestricted bailouts... or the next wasteful war against somebody on the other side of the globe, before we pay off the last 2...while telling sick vets that shit they breathed over there has nothing to do with that bizarre illness they now have...
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Or it could be that the only jobs left are unskilled because of offshoring?

America both spearheaded and paved the way for large scale globalisation so now you reap the rewards...
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
Muricans are just whiners. It's that simple people.
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You know, you may just be correct. Or should I say 'right'...

Everybody does their share of whining, I suppose...

It's just when the whining comes from some rotten overpaid CEO who eliminates jobs to pad his multi-million dollar portfolio, that whining doesn't carry much merit to me...I have more empathy for the 700 guys he fucked up the ass to add to his portfolio...

Those 700 guys paid more taxes and added more to society than their whining CEO who endlessly bitches about taxes (he evades anyway), labor costs, medical costs, and the legacy costs of the retirees that worked there before long the CEO rolled into town a few years ago...

So I guess the point is...some 'whining' is whinier than others, maybe?
Just sayin'...
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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tangerinegreen555 said:
You know, you may just be correct. Or should I say 'right'...

Everybody does their share of whining, I suppose...

It's just when the whining comes from some rotten overpaid CEO who eliminates jobs to pad his multi-million dollar portfolio, that whining doesn't carry much merit to me...I have more empathy for the 700 guys he fucked up the ass to add to his portfolio...

Those 700 guys paid more taxes and added more to society than their whining CEO who endlessly bitches about taxes (he evades anyway), labor costs, medical costs, and the legacy costs of the retirees that worked there before long the CEO rolled into town a few years ago...

So I guess the point is...some 'whining' is whinier than others, maybe?
Just sayin'...
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I read this. Twice. And I can only respond that I suppose what you describe is the "pecking order" of entitlement. I don't know man. I look around and even the poor people are buying energy drinks with food stamp cards. So. I'm just gonna plead the fifth on the discussion as a whole. But I really do think. Murica's favorite pass time is no longer about baseball and hot dogs. It's whining about our poor living conditions. Perhaps maybe even in an Internet forum using our ritsy ditsy consumer electronic devices over broad band Internet. But I fully concede to your argument if you disagree. Peace and love bru.
 
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