Hawaii Growers

Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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rikdabrick said:
It looks like you'll have plenty supply in the near future, ha ha. A few of those strains I've been wanting to try for awhile. The Rainbow Jones and Headbanger are supposed to be really good. I'm pretty interested in hearing how the Kwazulu turns out.
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Supply for myself :). Will keep you posted on how they go. I sat down yday and made my starter list through April, some of everything
 
rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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Mohican said:
That one is extra frosty!

What did you end up using in your soil mix? Did you get any fish guts?

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Cheers,
Mo
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That weather is pretty decent. 51 deg. is a little cold for my blood though, ha ha.

I kind of mix up what I add to my soil. Since I'm setting up my greenhouses I put my recycled soil on top of the native soil and top the whole greenhouse with about 8 inches of mostly wood chips. I have a bunch of different dry ferts and used some Espoma Plant-Tone and a 50/50 mix of dolomite and gypsum. And I didn't get any fish guts, thanks for the reminder. I've been seeing my buddy who's a fisherman a lot lately and haven't even thought to ask; now you got me on a mission :)
 
rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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Vnsmkr said:
An older friend of mine from So Cal and I were talking and he said he likes to bury whole fish outdoor. All my plants love fish hydro, but imagine what whole fish can do? He thinks this is a large contributor to stimualting huge plant growth....
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Mohican said:
It is supposedly what the Native Americans taught the Pilgrims to grow corn and inspired Thanksgiving :bigjoint:
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I know some good gardeners here that will put a fish or fish parts in the ground so their plants roots can grow into it. Another friend of mine learned it from an old Japanese gardener here and now she always buries fish in her garden when she plants. I'm definitely going to try it.
 
HiloReign

HiloReign

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Fish, yes.

Rotting fish under a transplant, no.

Compost those damn fishes, will you? You'll get more out of them without the ill effects...

I use fish meal (not to be mistaken with fish bone meal) only after it has been run through the worms or at least left to break down in my soil mixes for at least a month. When I would go diving, I'd use all the guts/scales/carcasses (of course I ate what I could...) of the fish I speared in my thermal compost piles... Shit was teeming with life.

Also @rikdabrick , you need to stop rolling your buds around in sugar... That's cheating...
 
808newb

808newb

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Aww fish, the ultimate natural fertilizer. I agree never under a transplant. I used to bury filleted carcasses and even whole fish between rows of plants and almost a foot deep with awesome results, but here we only have 3-4" of soil until u hit lava rock so not even an option. I will tho throw the occasional ahi and Ono scraps in the bottom of the recycled soil pile and the worms multiply like mad.

Still working on some kali mist crosses. This one was crossed with the juicy LH pheno I had from Barney's Farm...sticky icky icky icky.
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But I've decided to drop Barney completely from all future projects as the hermi trait is popping up again, and gawd the THC content is certainly way up there, it is not worth it to me to to spoil the other fruits of my labor.
image.jpg I think I caught most of them in time.
There's plenty more potent strains out there!
Aloha
 
Frosteze

Frosteze

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Question about outdoor grow in Hawaii. I have been vegging indoors and flowering outdoors. I'm wondering if the next batch that goes outside will be affected by the days getting longer later in the cycle. As little of a change it is, will it affect the flowering cycle? I'll be flowering Critical Mass which is a 60 day strain. If I put outdoors now, January 20th or so it should be done. But that's almost a month after winter solstice. I'd also like to get it a few more weeks before putting it outside.

What does everyone else do for vegging then transferring outside?

Thanks in advance.
 
rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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Frosteze said:
Question about outdoor grow in Hawaii. I have been vegging indoors and flowering outdoors. I'm wondering if the next batch that goes outside will be affected by the days getting longer later in the cycle. As little of a change it is, will it affect the flowering cycle? I'll be flowering Critical Mass which is a 60 day strain. If I put outdoors now, January 20th or so it should be done. But that's almost a month after winter solstice. I'd also like to get it a few more weeks before putting it outside.

What does everyone else do for vegging then transferring outside?

Thanks in advance.
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Hey brah, I'll go into light cycles and timing more later, but the short answer is you're good to go; no be sked baddah :)
 
rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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HiloReign said:
Fish, yes.

Rotting fish under a transplant, no.

Compost those damn fishes, will you? You'll get more out of them without the ill effects...

I use fish meal (not to be mistaken with fish bone meal) only after it has been run through the worms or at least left to break down in my soil mixes for at least a month. When I would go diving, I'd use all the guts/scales/carcasses (of course I ate what I could...) of the fish I speared in my thermal compost piles... Shit was teeming with life.

Also @rikdabrick , you need to stop rolling your buds around in sugar... That's cheating...
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I just remembered reading about the Native Americans burying fish with the corn. I looked into it on some garden sites and apparently people actually have really good results planting fish about a foot down in the soil. That's what the couple gardeners I know that do it also say. I'll probably try it on one plant at least so we'll see, but my fisherman buddy mostly gets ono and ahi and I'd guess they have higher mercury levels in them than smaller fish so I might have to get some scraps from another buddy. How come you compost your fish meal before using it?
 
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rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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808newb said:
Aww fish, the ultimate natural fertilizer. I agree never under a transplant. I used to bury filleted carcasses and even whole fish between rows of plants and almost a foot deep with awesome results, but here we only have 3-4" of soil until u hit lava rock so not even an option. I will tho throw the occasional ahi and Ono scraps in the bottom of the recycled soil pile and the worms multiply like mad.

Still working on some kali mist crosses. This one was crossed with the juicy LH pheno I had from Barney's Farm...sticky icky icky icky.
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But I've decided to drop Barney completely from all future projects as the hermi trait is popping up again, and gawd the THC content is certainly way up there, it is not worth it to me to to spoil the other fruits of my labor.
View attachment 3542725 I think I caught most of them in time.
There's plenty more potent strains out there!
Aloha
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That Kali cross looks great.
 
rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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Frosteze said:
Question about outdoor grow in Hawaii. I have been vegging indoors and flowering outdoors. I'm wondering if the next batch that goes outside will be affected by the days getting longer later in the cycle. As little of a change it is, will it affect the flowering cycle? I'll be flowering Critical Mass which is a 60 day strain. If I put outdoors now, January 20th or so it should be done. But that's almost a month after winter solstice. I'd also like to get it a few more weeks before putting it outside.

What does everyone else do for vegging then transferring outside?

Thanks in advance.
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So, the growing seasons can be broken down in 2 or 3 seasons. There's long season from around May/June to September and short season from September to May. Some guys split up short season into two seasons: short or short-short season from September to Dec. 31st and Long-short season from Jan 1st to May/June. The main difference in the two is you might get more yield in long-short season and the buds tend to elongate more. They kind of stretch out more with the increasing daylight hours after the winter solstice. And even though the daylight hours are increasing at that time of year it's still not enough daylight to get them to veg.

The difference between long and short season is some plants, like sativa dominant strains, will veg during long season and the yield will be a lot better (like 4x better) and flowering takes longer to finish. A plant that takes 8 weeks to finish flowering during short season will take about 10 weeks to finish during long season.

In general if you're growing indica dominant strains they'll flower anytime of the year outdoors under our photo cycle.

If you're growing sativa dominant clones outdoors they may also flower anytime of year depending on genetics. The more sativa it is the more likely a clone will veg during long season. I had some pure sativas reveg in April or May from clone. From seed, I'd say most sativa dominant strains will veg during long season. And any strain will go straight to flower during short season including pure sativas.

I think that about covers it. Make sure you post some pics of that Critical Mass. I'd like to see how it turns out here :)
 
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waterproof808

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Frosteze said:
Question about outdoor grow in Hawaii. I have been vegging indoors and flowering outdoors. I'm wondering if the next batch that goes outside will be affected by the days getting longer later in the cycle. As little of a change it is, will it affect the flowering cycle? I'll be flowering Critical Mass which is a 60 day strain. If I put outdoors now, January 20th or so it should be done. But that's almost a month after winter solstice. I'd also like to get it a few more weeks before putting it outside.

What does everyone else do for vegging then transferring outside?

Thanks in advance.
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It will not affect anything except yield and flowering time. Plus you can usually take a week or two off a strains labelled finish time when growing here, especially in winter. The day length at the end of january is only 11 hours and 11 minutes give or take depending on where you live, so plenty of darkness to keep things in flower
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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rikdabrick said:
So, the growing seasons can be broken down in 2 or 3 seasons. There's long season from around May/June to September and short season from September to May. Some guys split up short season into two seasons: short or short-short season from September to Dec. 31st and Long-short season from Jan 1st to May/June. The main difference in the two is you might get more yield in long-short season and the buds tend to elongate more. They kind of stretch out more with the increasing daylight hours after the winter solstice. And even though the daylight hours are increasing at that time of year it's still not enough daylight to get them to veg.

The difference between long and short season is some plants, like sativa dominant strains, will veg during long season and the yield will be a lot better (like 4x better) and flowering takes longer to finish. A plant that takes 8 weeks to finish flowering during short season will take about 10 weeks to finish during long season.

In general if you're growing indica dominant strains they'll flower anytime of the year outdoors under our photo cycle.

If you're growing sativa dominant clones outdoors they may also flower anytime of year depending on genetics. The more sativa it is the more likely a clone will veg during long season. I had some pure sativas reveg in April or May from clone. From seed, I'd say most sativa dominant strains will veg during long season. And any strain will go straight to flower during short season including pure sativas.

I think that about covers it. Make sure you post some pics of that Critical Mass. I'd like to see how it turns out here :)
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Very similar here
 
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