"Area 51 LED" Information and discussion

Yodaweed

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that's funny because supra literally said the opposite in another thread. you really keep grasping at straws to try and demonstrate that this is a shitty product, but it's not
Never said it was just said there are less expensive ways to veg a plant, you could then have a larger budget for buying the W90 3k spectrum for flower. IMO less money in veg is a wise choice you don't need as powerful or expensive lights to veg.
 

a mongo frog

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Never said it was just said there are less expensive ways to veg a plant, you could then have a larger budget for buying the W90 3k spectrum for flower. IMO less money in veg is a wise choice you don't need as powerful or expensive lights to veg.
Thats pretty situational from grower to grower.
 

KarmaPaymentPlan

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I think a 90w of Vero could easily veg 2x2 with less stretch and a denser canopy then t5. 2 or 3 90w in that space would be a good start i think my plants are usually over 2' when i flower and my old 70w diy work great in my 2x4. So no bulb changes, deeper penetration, less watts running 18+hours a day so cheaper electric bill. And the price, it's the cost of a couple ounces, it's an investment but I've been super pleased with mine
 

jeroly

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Yeah A51 is impossible to buy. I really wanted white COBs, but I guess I'm getting some mars hydro panels instead, their customer service is so much faster and more efficient. I haven't even bought anything from them and they're still treating me like a regular customer, A51 takes days to answer an email and then it's just "yeah we got lights.".. Any way I could buy some? lol.

Ain't no way I'm going to give money to a company that handles things like this..
It was very possible to buy, at least for me. I was told initially that it would be 1-3 weeks, was given an update after a week that it was on track for 1-2 more weeks, and it shipped after 23 days.
So far, I'm very satisfied with the product (some instruction / info sheet would've been nice). I would think that one of these lights would work fine to veg a 2x2 area - not sure about 3x3.
 

Greengenes707

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No it's really not, weed needs more intense lights to flower than veg and that's a fact.
The most intense and longest days are in late VEG for a cannabis plant...July-August for the northern hemisphere. As flowering begins, then progresses, intensity and duration lessen throughout.

Veg CAN use less light to get similar results by some people's standards. As where you can not use less in flower and get the similar results. But by using less...you are getting less veg growth. Same thing happens in flower, except you're now not ok with it like you were ok using less in veg.
 

Yodaweed

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The most intense and longest days are in late VEG for a cannabis plant...July-August for the northern hemisphere. As flowering begins, then progresses, intensity and duration lessen throughout.

Veg CAN use less light to get similar results by some people's standards. As where you can not use less in flower and get the similar results. But by using less...you are getting less veg growth. Same thing happens in flower, except you're now not ok with it like you were ok using less in veg.
When I veg with my LED's I don't use them on full power, like when I have my area 51 LED on my plants I turn off all the reds, you can do more with less sometimes, my electric bill has gone down almost 100$ since I started really getting on my electrical usage, I even am producing the same amount I was with 3 600w hps with only 2 600w hps. When I veg with my HID I dim the light down to 300w and use a metal halide light, it can cover like a 4x4 veg area. You are right, the more powerful your light the faster it will veg but seedlings can only take so much light so crank it down at first and in my opinion you can full veg a plant with only 300w of hid lighting I usually don't crank my lights to 600w until the flowering cycle starts, and usually crank it down to 75% at the end of flower to cool canopy temps.
 

duster74

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Well the website said 36x36" space for veg. so 2 would be 36x72. I know my maths not wrong...
I veg in that same size area. I currently have two W90's (4000k) in that space and it works well, three would be spot on for 8 vegging plants of that size. 8 W90's in that space for vegging would be way overkill! I have 8 in a 5x5 area for flowering with each plant over 3 feet high. You can get massive yields and high quality buds with that setup. So, to answer your question, go with 3. Hope this helps.
 

m4s73r

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When I veg with my LED's I don't use them on full power, like when I have my area 51 LED on my plants I turn off all the reds, you can do more with less sometimes, my electric bill has gone down almost 100$ since I started really getting on my electrical usage, I even am producing the same amount I was with 3 600w hps with only 2 600w hps. When I veg with my HID I dim the light down to 300w and use a metal halide light, it can cover like a 4x4 veg area. You are right, the more powerful your light the faster it will veg but seedlings can only take so much light so crank it down at first and in my opinion you can full veg a plant with only 300w of hid lighting I usually don't crank my lights to 600w until the flowering cycle starts, and usually crank it down to 75% at the end of flower to cool canopy temps.
This was my original plan Yoda, a couple of 600s MHs dimmed down then cranked up once the girls are a certain size.

Ok so there was a lot of back and forth on this.
First lets remember i am only vegging with these. and there will be "2" veg areas. so first 4 will go under a lower intensity light then get moved to a higher one as i rotate the plants.
I was buying the LED's to save money on my monthly electric costs. 2 95 watt lamps is way better (cost wise) then say 800-1k of hid. or even 864 of t5.
I veg in that same size area. I currently have two W90's (4000k) in that space and it works well, three would be spot on for 8 vegging plants of that size. 8 W90's in that space for vegging would be way overkill! I have 8 in a 5x5 area for flowering with each plant over 3 feet high. You can get massive yields and high quality buds with that setup. So, to answer your question, go with 3. Hope this helps.
Duster, thanks the response. 3 i would be ok with cost wise. And i wouldnt have to get them all at once as i start off my perpetual grow.
 

Psyphish

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It was very possible to buy, at least for me. I was told initially that it would be 1-3 weeks, was given an update after a week that it was on track for 1-2 more weeks, and it shipped after 23 days.
So far, I'm very satisfied with the product (some instruction / info sheet would've been nice). I would think that one of these lights would work fine to veg a 2x2 area - not sure about 3x3.
A51 selectively ignores people from certain countries. I've had a few countrymen tell me how disappointed with A51's customer service they were. Did my best to be a good customer and not make things difficult, but I couldn't even get a shipping quota from them. I've received two packages from US just this week alone, so I don't see why they couldn't send the lights.
 

Eraserhead

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A51 only ships within the United States and Canada. If you are in Europe, you should contact Philip from Grow Cologne in Germany, he's been selling A51 lights for more than a year now.

As for ignoring emails, that's just not true. Your email could have gone to the spam folder, or A51's email could have gone to your spam folder. If you are in the middle east, Asia, Russia, Africa, then you are not ignored, but flat out blocked from contacting.

The reason A51 stopped sending lights to Europe, is because of the custom's taxes and fees and customers refusing the package because of it and leaving A51 with the to/return shipping costs, which costs more than the light itself.

If you are in Europe, another option is http://www.spectradesignlab.com/ It's a really nice light.
A51 selectively ignores people from certain countries. I've had a few countrymen tell me how disappointed with A51's customer service they were. Did my best to be a good customer and not make things difficult, but I couldn't even get a shipping quota from them. I've received two packages from US just this week alone, so I don't see why they couldn't send the lights.
 

Yodaweed

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A51 only ships within the United States and Canada. If you are in Europe, you should contact Philip from Grow Cologne in Germany, he's been selling A51 lights for more than a year now.

As for ignoring emails, that's just not true. Your email could have gone to the spam folder, or A51's email could have gone to your spam folder. If you are in the middle east, Asia, Russia, Africa, then you are not ignored, but flat out blocked from contacting.

The reason A51 stopped sending lights to Europe, is because of the custom's taxes and fees and customers refusing the package because of it and leaving A51 with the to/return shipping costs, which costs more than the light itself.

If you are in Europe, another option is http://www.spectradesignlab.com/ It's a really nice light.
What ever happened to you guys making Cree lights, you even announced when you released your "new" lights back last year you were making cree lights, then you released the new series and they all vero lights. Disappointing to say the least then I saw the prices and screamed at my computer. But anyway are you ever going to make a CXB3590 or CXB3070 light like you said you would last year or were those just lies?
 

KarmaPaymentPlan

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What ever happened to you guys making Cree lights, you even announced when you released your "new" lights back last year you were making cree lights, then you released the new series and they all vero lights. Disappointing to say the least then I saw the prices and screamed at my computer. But anyway are you ever going to make a CXB3590 or CXB3070 light like you said you would last year or were those just lies?
if the Vero is to expensive your cheap ass sure as he'll can't afford a Cree unit lol. Just curious why you want the cxb?Is it because that's all anyone talks about and you don't really know what your looking for?
 

robincnn

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@Eraserhead
4-5 months back you had pics of small pups. Is that same same dog u got sometime back. They seem to grow faster than weed. What nutes u feedin

@Yodaweed
If you were disappointed to see vero prices then might as well just stop wasting your time waiting for 3590.
 

Eraserhead

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That's one of them. They're getting big, pretty close to 65lbs. They'll be a year old next week.

It's all about defoliation and flushing. I shave them really well, and give them nothing but water for 2 weeks, and they gain 10LBS each week like that.

The boxador (boxer/lab mix) breed gets to about 120LBS when full grown.
@Eraserhead
4-5 months back you had pics of small pups. Is that same same dog u got sometime back. They seem to grow faster than weed. What nutes u feedin

@Yodaweed
If you were disappointed to see vero prices then might as well just stop wasting your time waiting for 3590.

You got to be the biggest fucking whiner on here. Go take your Ritalin.
What ever happened to you guys making Cree lights, you even announced when you released your "new" lights back last year you were making cree lights, then you released the new series and they all vero lights. Disappointing to say the least then I saw the prices and screamed at my computer. But anyway are you ever going to make a CXB3590 or CXB3070 light like you said you would last year or were those just lies?
 

Yodaweed

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That's one of them. They're getting big, pretty close to 65lbs. They'll be a year old next week.

It's all about defoliation and flushing. I shave them really well, and give them nothing but water for 2 weeks, and they gain 10LBS each week like that.

The boxador (boxer/lab mix) breed gets to about 120LBS when full grown.



You got to be the biggest fucking whiner on here. Go take your Ritalin.
It's called dank, we smoke it bro you can go take your prescription death.
 

The Dawg

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That's one of them. They're getting big, pretty close to 65lbs. They'll be a year old next week.

It's all about defoliation and flushing. I shave them really well, and give them nothing but water for 2 weeks, and they gain 10LBS each week like that.

The boxador (boxer/lab mix) breed gets to about 120LBS when full grown.



You got to be the biggest fucking whiner on here. Go take your Ritalin.
Boxador Really Is That really A Breed. Hummmm Reminds Of A Bull Shih Tzu :hump:
 
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