When has anything you ever said matter racist
So what do we do now with the "refugees"?
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Lord Kanti
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Maybe @Flaming Pie can fill you in. I don't have the patience to bring you up to date regarding the civil war in Syria.
While you wait you can familiarize yourself with the Turkish air strikes. I'm pretty sure ISIS wasn't even the primary target, but no one cares about the Kurds.
Not GOP
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It's an election year, and according to new NBC News polls, the majority of Americans (including independents) reject the president's foreign policy measures thus far.
bearkat42
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Bill Clinton was president 20 years ago, idiot. Please just stop responding to me. I feel dumber every time I answer you.
bearkat42
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Lol
Lord Kanti
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bearkat42
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Obama isn't running.
Not GOP
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But the Democrat party is...
You know G W Bush had an impact on the 2008 election. As secretary of state for four years, how will Hillary be able to separate herself from Obama? Especially when she supports most of his policies?
bearkat42
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Of course Dubya had an impact. He was the worst potus of (at least) the last hundred years, not to mention a war criminal. Obama doesn't have that problem. So she won't need to separate herself. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but have you seen the republican "contenders"? Not a particularly strong field, yanno?
Not GOP
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So then you didn't look at the poll, or are you still claiming it doesn't matter?
bearkat42
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It doesn't, the "will of the people" is a myth.
Padawanbater2
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Because wages have not risen the past 4½ decades to match the cost of living or inflation because the economic gains of worker productivity have gone to the top .01-1% of earners
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Yup your right I said 15 20 years but I also said 80s-90s so I guess your to dumb to realize I said did say correct years served just wrong # of years. But yes I made a mistake your right but you have been wrong many times. See the problen
So are we talking full time workers Flippin burgers making minimum wage or we talking full timers making more than min wage
pnwmystery
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You really do have a problem with misrepresentation. In the year 2000 Montana came to an agreement with the Federal Government to stop the migration of bison to Montana because of a disease called brucellosis. Bison and elk are the last remaining reservoir in the Greater Yellowstone Area, and they transmit the disease to cattle, which if you consume unpasteurized milk or cheese you can then get brucellosis. Moreover Montana land owners were pissed that Bison would compete for grazing with their cattle, and how do these Montana land owners usually vote? Conservative. http://sos.mt.gov/elections/archives/2000s/2000/2000Gen/2000-GenState.pdf When you look at Montana's own archives, you see that around 50-58% voted Republican, and one of Montana's Senators was also a Republican. Since 1997 their Representative has been a Republican, and in 2000 they elected Republicans to their State Legislature. So really, there isn't anything liberal about this. The Park Service doesn't really want to do it, but a bunch of Conservatives struck a deal to make them do it. Moreover there's 15,000 "wild" Bison with 5,000 in the GYA (Greater Yellowstone Area) (and a total Bison population of ~30,000 in the US).
Stop with the BS.
ASCIIGHOST
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Obama promised to do it and didn't
Bernie doesn't even promise to do it. So at least he's honest I guess. Turd sandwich anyone?
MuyLocoNC
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Wtf are you on about? I said the argument you made was logical. That's awesome that neighboring countries are taking them in, that's the most convenient place for them to set up camps. And yes, if the reason they're fleeing and asking for asylum is war, then the very instant the war is over, they need to move the camps back into their own country.
The state of their infrastructure is irrelevant, they aren't being taken in because their village/district/city/neighborhood is demolished and that certainly is no reason for their continued presence. The "I don't want to live in a makeshift shelter in my own country" argument doesn't float. If your life isn't in immediate danger from armed combatants, the rest of it can be handled by aid packages and a great deal of rebuilding by these peaceful folk. No reason to fly them here and then have to fly them back. You can keep them relatively close and politely usher them back asap
Padawanbater2
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Actually it was George Bush who got us into Iraq in 2003 and signed the US-Iraq Status of Force Agreement in 2008 which called for all American forces to withdraw from Iraq before Dec. 31, 2011 after a majority of Americans favored withdrawal
The Obama administration has had to deal with the power vacuum in the Middle East left by the Bush administration's catastrophic foreign policy blunder, not to mention the domestic effects of turning a projected +$5.6 trillion surplus into a -$3.5 trillion deficit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/31/us/surplus-estimate-hits-5.6-trillion.html
Thanks
My oil chang guy at.my shop makes 15 dollars an hour while everyone else.pay 8-10 dollars an hour I appreciate the work my employees do. They take care of.me I take care of them simple as that. What type.of.person would or works at fast food as a career 40 hours a week
Padawanbater2
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More than ½ of all Americans make less than $30,000/year - https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2014
The job is irrelevant to the fact that millions of full-time workers require some form of government assistance to survive, and it ignores the fact that economic gains by workers producing more have been stolen by the top 0.1% of earners for the past 4½ decades;
See the gap the double sided arrow denotes? This is where it went;
Now if you can look at this information and believe wage stagnation beginning around the mid-late 1970s and the explosion of economic gains going to the 1% is just a random coincidence, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you..
And if you think, based on the job, someone working full-time, 40 hours a week shouldn't make enough money to pay their bills and basic necessities while everything goes to the top and hey, that's capitalism!, you have no legitimate claim to criticize the amount of public assistance anyone receives.
Padawanbater2
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If you want to decrease the amount of welfare we pay out as a country, then pay workers more
It's as simple as that
Pay them more, they won't need public assistance
It's as simple as that
Pay them more, they won't need public assistance
Blunted 4 lyfe
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Tell that to millions of workers at Mc d's, Wendys, Walmart etc, etc... Who work full time and need assistance.
last year walmart workers were asking for handouts for Thanksgiving because they were paid so little (and still are) until Walmart was embarrassed and gave a wage hike to $10 per hour. Now instead of working 40 hours they cut them to 32 hours.
B4L
So what if they would have gotten an education and applied themselves and learned something instead of being lazy and having 10 kids they would not need to work at these high school jobs amd or older retired just want something to do jobs.. to make it.you gotta strive and want to be something . If you don't try and don't care to.make it guess what you deserve minimum wage and no finer things its.your own fault not the governemnt your and your only.
Padawanbater2
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51% of all Americans make less than $30K/year, do you think half the fuckin' country is made up of lazy high school kids?
People like you automatically get disqualified from any meaningful conversation. Our country is going through an economic crisis because of failed conservative policies. Your assumption that all the problems are caused by poor people is stupid and unfounded and has no evidence to support it and only seeks to skirt responsibility away from corporations and dumbasses like yourself who buy into it
Every credible economist alive understands these are the problems we have - not fuckin' poor people utilizing welfare programs because they don't make enough to survive. The welfare systems are much more robust in other societies and their citizens rank higher on overall health, happiness, and level of education
You are a flat out moron who doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about. All you can post are assumptions and unfounded nonsense. Why don't you go look up the information you're spouting off like it's fact and post your results here so we can analyze them? I've posted facts, cited sources and posted graphs verifying everything I've been saying, you haven't posted anything but your opinion that you think all poor people are lazy leeches.
I don't give a shit about your opinions. Every asshole has an opinion, go fetch some facts, boy
kmog33
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It's funny if that 51% is right. I just looked up average pay in ca, and I think the average salary out here if you're working is at like $52k right now. Guess there's a lot of people not working and the rest are making an insane amount of money. Makes sense that there isn't really a middle class anymore.
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Lord Kanti
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If I could convince a gal to have 10 of my kids I'd be rolling in Govmint Cheese. Instead we're living the American Dream in reverse:
Paid off the house
Bought a car
Use said car as taxi to make money
My next step is to move back home or sail to Europe and elongate my last name.
I guess taxing the rich to support my meager living would make sense, but for whatever reason that's not my desire. I guess deep down I still have a belief that some day I might be rich and I wouldn't want the IRS in my pockets shaking me down.
a mongo frog
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Fuck yes bro do your thing. Economy is booming jump on in the work force. If your in Northern California and worth a shit ill hire you. Can you lift 80 ponds on the regular?
bearkat42
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You won't.
Lord Kanti
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I might need to bulk up a bit or wear a back brace to be safe.
I've driven to northern California during harvest season for work. What kind of gig have you got? We're not disposing of bodies, are we? 80# midget bodies...
Padawanbater2
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The effective income tax rate of the top 1% is well below what the middle-class pays. Why should middle-class people pay higher income tax rates than wealthy people?
The bottom line is that everyone has to pay taxes, so which system is better, a regressive one, like the one we have now, where the wealthier you become, the less income tax you pay, or a progressive one, where the poorer you are, the less income tax you pay? We know by looking at history that effective income tax rates don't correlate with economic growth, so when the very wealthy pay more taxes, it doesn't negatively affect the rate of unemployment. We know that the most effective way to grow the economy is through having a strong middle-class. And we know that providing social safety net programs that help the disadvantaged and unfortunate does positively correlate to economic growth because able bodies earn money and circulate it throughout the economy.
Knowing the combination of these things gives us a successful recipe for a solution. Understanding what got us into the Great Depression and what got us out of it provides the necessary framework for progress. What led to the economic situations of 1929 and 2007 have many things in common, and by that measure, they will take similar solutions. If we don't do something now when we can, we won't have the option to when people decide to take things into their own hands later. If FDR didn't finance the recovery by shifting the tax burden onto the people who could pay for it, the people would have, and it wouldn't have been pretty, and that's the same thing that will happen to this government if they choose to do nothing or choose to do the wrong thing.
MrStickyScissors
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Give them uncle bucks adress and he can suck them all up. Warm welcome
bearkat42
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So you pay everyone at your shop (except the "oil change guy") fast food wages, but you have the audacity to ask what type of person works fast food as a career? Your fucking 8-10/hr employees, that's who. Jesus you're stupid.
You should be thanking the Obama administration.
When the ideology and policies are such that growing a robust economic environment is less of a priority relative to other social issues this is what you get. Shit always rolls down hill.
Conceptually it's not difficult to understand. Policies matter.