Padawanbater2
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Thanks to George Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003
That's why ISIS exists. Blame Obama all you want, Bush's failed foreign policy in Iraq is the single greatest cause of the current situation in Iraq and Syria
Gov. Abbott: Texas to Block Syrian Refugee Resettlement
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That's why ISIS exists. Blame Obama all you want, Bush's failed foreign policy in Iraq is the single greatest cause of the current situation in Iraq and Syria
Not GOP
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Obama told the terrorists the day he was going to pull out of Iraq. So they crawled under a rock, and waited for us to leave. At that point, Obama's jayvee team was created in a "vacuum" with the help of Obama arming them in Syria, and leaving ISIS oil to help boost their economy.
Padawanbater2
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President Bush signed the withdrawal agreement in 2008
"The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory"."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
Deny history all you want
Not GOP
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That is an interesting half truth. Posted like a true Democrat operative..
The plan
Shortly before Obama took office in January 2009, his predecessor, George W. Bush, finalized an important agreement after about a year of negotiations with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Called the Status of Forces Agreement, it spelled out the withdrawal of all American troops by the end of 2011.
Obama, who won office in 2008 partly for his pledge to end the war in Iraq, announced his own draw-down plans a month after taking office. "Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end,"he said Feb. 27, 2009.
His speech revealed more details: He would keep between 35,000 to 50,000 military personnel there through the end of 2011 to train and advise Iraqi military and for counterterrorism purposes.
What would happen after Jan. 1, 2012, -- a central point in our fact-check -- was not settled until the fall of 2011. Obama and the Iraqi government had been open to leaving more troops behind to help the country remain stable.
But it didn’t happen.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/24/martha-raddatz/obama-wanted-keep-10000-troops-iraq-abcs-raddatz-c/
Padawanbater2
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Then this is a full lie:
The Bush administration set the time table for withdrawal, not the Obama administration
So everything you blame Obama for is actually Bush's fault
Not GOP
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You just don't get it. When Obama became president, he was automatically able to scrap the extraction date Bush put in place. Which he originally did, one month after being in office. "Bush's fault" has been the mantra of the Democrat party for far too long. Obama's decision to pull out was telegraphed, just like his 45 minute warnings about bomb strikes to ISIS. Barry from Honolulu doesn't know shit about running a military. The world is burning while Obama's learning, and all you can do is blame Bush. One mistake is not an excuse for another. If that is the best you can do, then Democrats will continue to lose seats in the senate, house, state, and local levels.
Padawanbater2
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The Bush administration signed the agreement for troop withdrawal in 2008 before Obama ever became president
The Bush administration invaded Iraq causing the increase in global terrorism
And all you can do is blame Obama
Cry more for your party's foreign policy failures
Not GOP
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I blame Bush too. We should have never went into Iraq. My point is, we need a leader who is able to clean up their messes. We need a president who can make a positive impact, not play patty cake with terrorists.
Padawanbater2
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Then why don't you get a passport and go fight ISIS yourself?
How will American soldiers on the ground in Iraq again or Syria solve anything? Your problem is that you think you can defeat a radical ideology with guns and bombs, you can't and you never will, we could stay there 100 years and it still wouldn't fix anything. So what's the point of staying there and wasting even more money that we don't have and getting more American soldiers killed?
You don't get to bitch about the debt/deficit if you want to send troops to the Middle East. That fuck up cost us $3.1 trillion alone
Not GOP
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Who ever said anything about sending ground troops? John McCain? LOL
You're looking for a straw man argument, and it's not going to work. Not this time
Padawanbater2
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We've been doing airstrikes on ISIS targets since summer, the fuck are you talking about "patty cake" if you're not suggesting another invasion?
Why don't you tell me what you think Obama should do?
Not GOP
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Yes. Patty cake. Obama is the baker's man. Always cooking something up. Pin prick precision bombings aren't working. Just ask Dianne Feinstein of the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee. We can't take out ISIS if Obama keeps telegraphing air strikes. Let me ask you a question. If you answer it, I may consider continuing our little chat. You have been respectful thus far.
Why doesn't Obama want to work with the Kurds?
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/080415-765035-us-betrays-kurds-for-turkey.htm
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Padawanbater2
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How are you suggesting Obama should "work with" the Kurds?
What do you think Obama should do?
Padawanbater2
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"So President Obama is actually coordinating with Turkey, when it is the Kurds who have been our most effective allies against the Islamic State — the unspeakably savage Islamic State, of course, being an entity brought into being by Obama's policies of abandoning Iraq."
Already established how that's a lie
"Modestly armed, this valiant people, fighting alongside regional Arab and Christian forces, defeated the Islamic State barbarians again and again, in Kobani, Tel Abyad, and Hassakeh, to name just a few victory sites. And unlike ethnic-cleansing Shiite militants, they didn't leave a trail of beheaded innocents in their wake."
And this is completely factually inaccurate. ISIS is made up of extremist Sunni Muslims, not Shiite. Wahabism, Salafism are both Sunni (same as Sadaam, same as the Saudi's) Iran is Shiite
"Since Iraq's and Syria's borders are in flux thanks to the Islamic State, we should think seriously about backing the Kurds — who have so loyally backed us — in their long-delayed and much-deserved national aspirations."
Is the article suggesting we arm and train the Kurds?
Oregon Gardener
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Gov. Greg Abbott said Monday that Texas would refuse Syrian refugees after a terrorist attack in Paris killed more than 120 people.
"Given the tragic attacks in Paris and the threats we have already seen, Texas cannot participate in any program that will result in Syrian refugees — any one of whom could be connected to terrorism — being resettled in Texas," Abbott wrote in a letter to President Barack Obama.
Cynthia Leigh, an immigration attorney in Austin, said advocates for refugees “deplore this sort of announcement.” But Leigh said Abbott’s move was likely legal because resettlement policies are at the discretion of local communities.
Abbott's announcement made Texas the third state to declare it would block Syrian refugees from resettling. The governors of Michigan and Alabama said Sunday that they would similarly prevent such resettlement in their states.
http://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/16/texas-block-syrian-refugee-resettlement-abbott-say/
You go governor!
I know my local community would round them up never to be seen again.
Well you just have to understand the problem that Texas has had with terrorism.Just look at the the problems that they have had recently with immigrants from the the former Soviet Union. I think the Cossacks came from Russia; didn't they? Down in Texas the night is dark and filled with terrorists.
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Uncle Ben
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Bush handed the wimpy Obama-blames-Bush-for-everything a clean and stable Iraq - the water, wastewater, electricity and road infrastructure was re-built using engineers and U.S. construction companies, schools were re-opened, girls were given the opportunity to get an education and become doctors if they wish, markets and the financial districts were revived. Now look at the world's state of affairs - Al Queda, Taliban and an extremely brutal blood thirsty sect, ISIS, is terrorizing much of the world's countries while Obama has no strategy. We're supposed to be a world leader but Obama's such a royal fuckup. There are a lot of folks myself included who wonder whose side this fuckup is on.
Pada, are you fuckin' retarded or what? Man, give up the dope for a while if that's your problem.
Pada, are you fuckin' retarded or what? Man, give up the dope for a while if that's your problem.
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Padawanbater2
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@Not GOP @Uncle Ben
Anybody can bitch about Obama.
What do you think Obama should do?
Can either of you answer that question?
Anybody can bitch about Obama.
What do you think Obama should do?
Can either of you answer that question?
Not GOP
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About ISIS? You've gotta bomb the shit out of 'em. And next time, don't drop leaflets warning them before it happens. It jeopardizes the safety of our pilots, and I can guarantee you leaders all across the world are laughing at him right now. What kind of a fool does such a thing? Go ahead and say I'm not nuance enough to understand, but we all know it makes us look weak.
Padawanbater2
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"WHITE HOUSE GAVE ISIS 45 MINUTE WARNING BEFORE BOMBING OIL TANKERS"
http://www.infowars.com/white-house-gave-isis-45-minute-warning-before-bombing-oil-tankers/
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The leaflets story is bullshit, I guarantee you can't produce a credible news source running with that story
We've been bombing ISIS targets in Syria and Iraq, along with a coalition of 10 other countries (Australia, Bahrain, Canada, France, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE & the UK) since Sept. 2014. We've killed an estimated 3,500 members of ISIS and what have the results been?
~1,000 civilians dead and ISIS has increased its territory in Syria since the airstrikes began
So by what measure do you suggest more is all it'll take to secure victory? If we just bomb them more and kill more civilians and more infrastructure, then we'll surely win!