Russian jet shot down by Turkey

[Harrekin]

Why was Saddam re-elected with 100% of the vote every time?

Saddam was extremely popular...if you weren't a Kurd.

 

[Red1966]

Only reason he won't step down and . Retire is his successor will have him arrested

At the mandatory end of his term office, his successor was hand-picked by Putin and made no secret he was following Putin's orders. Then Putin was re-elected.

 

[Red1966]

Saddam was extremely popular...if you weren't a Kurd.

The Shiites, the majority of the population, hated Saddam.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

North Korea's last mistake would be to use one of their nukes. They'd get about forty five minutes to say their goodbyes before the West turns the place into a molten, glowing sheet of glass.

It would definitely be good for global warming, though. Almost as good as a big volcano.

If they used a nuke it would be in the atmosphere and would probably wipe out most of our power grid. Also not sure if we'd nuke them outright considering how close they are to some allies.

Not sure it really matters though, it really looks like this might be the start of a much bigger war unless NATO tosses Turkey out completely. And that isn't what's been said publicly. Even if they do it appears to be the start of something bigger.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Provocative? You betcha. But Mr Putin doesn't get to have ALL the provocation fun, does he?

Let's see how he responds to a taste of his own medicine; a mealy mouthed doublespeak bullshit excuse for a clearly politically motivated and aggressive act.

If Mr Putin strikes back at Turkey, he'll screw himself. If he doesn't, he'll look bad to his hawkish base. Nice pickle! TOO nice for someone not to have planned this...

He hasn't provoked anything. It's patently clear the Turks did this to provoke Russia. They're upset that Russia is actually making life difficult for ISIS who has been both fighting the Kurds and the Assad regime at the same time. They had news cameras setup to film the whole thing for christ sakes before hand. Their whole story is crap too. The plane would have stalled if it lingered in that area as long as claimed. These planes must travel at high speeds because they have very low surface area. And the plane landed 4km inside Syrian territory. NATO provoked Russia in Ukraine too backing a Neo Nazi led coupe.

More over NATO rules of engagement do NOT allow for this kind of aggressive action. And aggressive nations do not have the backing of NATO. The rules for border incursions - because they happen accidentally all the time - is if the plane has a clear exit path and is not lingering there is no justification for response and even if you're going to shoot you're supposed to warn them.

They claim to have warned them 10 times in 18 seconds

Russia has pretty much made it clear they will not submit to US hegemony. So has China. Who are also being provoked in the pacific quite dramatically.

 

[ChesusRice]

He hasn't provoked anything. It's patently clear the Turks did this to provoke Russia. They're upset that Russia is actually making life difficult for ISIS who has been both fighting the Kurds and the Assad regime at the same time. They had news cameras setup to film the whole thing for christ sakes before hand. Their whole story is crap too. The plane would have stalled if it lingered in that area as long as claimed. These planes must travel at high speeds because they have very low surface area. And the plane landed 4km inside Syrian territory. NATO provoked Russia in Ukraine too backing a Neo Nazi led coupe.

More over NATO rules of engagement do NOT allow for this kind of aggressive action. And aggressive nations do not have the backing of NATO. The rules for border incursions - because they happen accidentally all the time - is if the plane has a clear exit path and is not lingering there is no justification for response and even if you're going to shoot you're supposed to warn them.

They claim to have warned them 10 times in 18 seconds

Russia has pretty much made it clear they will not submit to US hegemony. So has China. Who are also being provoked in the pacific quite dramatically.

I believe Turkey was looking for an excuse to shoot down planes that are bombing their allies. Russia provided that by again violating their air space.

 

[Harrekin]

The Shiites, the majority of the population, hated Saddam.

Let's ask the people there now if their lives are better now or before Bush Jnr decided to be a shithead...

 

[ChesusRice]

Let's ask the people there now if their lives are better now or before Bush Jnr decided to be a shithead...

Saddam was the typical strongman dictator. My wifes family misses Ferdinand Marcos. I'm sure a lot of Libyans miss Ghaddafi. Doesn't work for the opposition very well though does it?

 

[Red1966]

Let's ask the people there now if their lives are better now or before Bush Jnr decided to be a shithead...

Before Bush or before Obama? They had a chance at freedom, until Obama abandoned them. You can't excuse Obama by blaming Booosh. Obama has improved conditions in Ireland, I'll grant you that, by driving US businesses there. Pfizer is a recent example.

 

[Harrekin]

Before Bush or before Obama? They had a chance at freedom, until Obama abandoned them. You can't excuse Obama by blaming Booosh. Obama has improved conditions in Ireland, I'll grant you that, by driving US businesses there. Pfizer is a recent example.

Pfizer is here because we have a strong education sector(on top of the tax breaks), we're not all "Happy Meal Bag Content Technicians" like in the States.

Before US intervention Iraq was a mostly secular state.

You have a hard time with facts, like the fact your families expiring by the same cause both times is extremely suspicious.

 

[Red1966]

Pfizer is here because we have a strong education sector(on top of the tax breaks), we're not all "Happy Meal Bag Content Technicians" like in the States.

Before US intervention Iraq was a mostly secular state.

You have a hard time with facts, like the fact your families expiring by the same cause both times is extremely suspicious.

Simply claiming the logic offered by Pfizer itself is false while attempting to slam the education of Americans ain't going to cut it.
After US intervention Iraq was a mostly secular state, until Obama abandoned them. Feeble attempt at another lie that presumes nobody remembers what happened 6 years ago.
You have a hard time with facts, like the fact a car wreck and a house fire are the same thing.
Odd how someone who pretends to own the high road ALWAYS returns to lying.

 

[Harrekin]

Simply claiming the logic offered by Pfizer itself is false while attempting to slam the education of Americans ain't going to cut it.
After US intervention Iraq was a mostly secular state, until Obama abandoned them. Feeble attempt at another lie that presumes nobody remembers what happened 6 years ago.
You have a hard time with facts, like the fact a car wreck and a house fire are the same thing.
Odd how someone who pretends to own the high road ALWAYS returns to lying.

Horseshit.

I'm not even going to bother, what you've posted is entirely factually incorrect.

100% Cockswaggle is hazardous to your health.

 

[Red1966]

Horseshit.

I'm not even going to bother, what you've posted is entirely factually incorrect.

100% Cockswaggle is hazardous to your health.

Actually, it is all correct. Pretending you can't be bothered when the truth is you are unable is just another example of your dishonesty. It's like dealing with a child........

 

[londonfog]

Simply claiming the logic offered by Pfizer itself is false while attempting to slam the education of Americans ain't going to cut it.
After US intervention Iraq was a mostly secular state, until Obama abandoned them. Feeble attempt at another lie that presumes nobody remembers what happened 6 years ago.
You have a hard time with facts, like the fact a car wreck and a house fire are the same thing.
Odd how someone who pretends to own the high road ALWAYS returns to lying.

I understand how you did the arson ( hell you once even told us how ),but how did you do the car accident ? Do you sometime miss them ?

 

[Red1966]

I understand how you did the arson ( hell you once even told us how ),but how did you do the car accident ? Do you sometime miss them ?

Now you're admitting you lied, then go on to tell another one? Is the injunction against you from approaching a school or playground permanent or does it expire after a certain period of time?

 

[londonfog]

Now you're admitting you lied, then go on to tell another one? Is the injunction against you from approaching a school or playground permanent or does it expire after a certain period of time?

Are you confusing me with your predicament ? Can you tell us again whats the best way to start a fire without the people inside knowing before it's to late for them to get out

 

[Red1966]

Are you confusing me with your predicament ? Can you tell us again whats the best way to start a fire without the people inside knowing before it's to late for them to get out

Nope. That would require actually being there, not 20 miles away. I was recounting an arson set at the Arlington Towing Company in Jacksonville, Fl. in the 1980's. I wasn't there, either.

 

[Red1966]

I guess you've given up defending your false statements (i.e. lies) entirely and decided to pretend more lies in the form of a personal attack is a better strategy.

 

[londonfog]

Nope. That would require actually being there, not 20 miles away. I was recounting an arson set at the Arlington Towing Company in Jacksonville, Fl. in the 1980's. I wasn't there, either.

Sure you wasn't there
You just happen to know exactly how it was done. Arson seems to be your area of expertise.

 

[ttystikk]

If they used a nuke it would be in the atmosphere and would probably wipe out most of our power grid. Also not sure if we'd nuke them outright considering how close they are to some allies.

Not sure it really matters though, it really looks like this might be the start of a much bigger war unless NATO tosses Turkey out completely. And that isn't what's been said publicly. Even if they do it appears to be the start of something bigger.

north Korea doesn't have a weapon that large, nor a missile platform to get it to the States.

North Korea is the perfect foil to use as an 'example' should they ever be stupid enough to make good on any nuclear threats; they're small, insignificant and even their allies consider them expendable. And, Kim Jung Il is western educated and knows this very well.

Believe me when I tell you, we would not waste the chance.