Hydro Drooping

[WalterWhite810]

Roots are completely white and healthy looking, the hydro method is dwc, they've been vegging for quite some type. im not sure if being root bound can cause them to droop a little but they are. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[JohnySmith1]

I don't think you will receive any reasonable answer with such a poor explanation.
There are many reasons why plant could be droopy, poor oxygen availability, nutrient toxicity or deficiency and even disease can cause droopy plant.
Provide next info if you want members to help you out.
1. E.C and temperature of water in the reservoir.
2 What fertilizers and additives do you use and amount.
3. Genetic of you seed, (Auto or photoperiod)
4. Light and distance kept to the plant
5. temperature and humidity in the grow room
And any additional info will be helpful

 

[hotrodharley]

I don't think you will receive any reasonable answer with such a poor explanation.
There are many reasons why plant could be droopy, poor oxygen availability, nutrient toxicity or deficiency and even disease can cause droopy plant.
Provide next info if you want members to help you out.
1. E.C and temperature of water in the reservoir.
2 What fertilizers and additives do you use and amount.
3. Genetic of you seed, (Auto or photoperiod)
4. Light and distance kept to the plant
5. temperature and humidity in the grow room
And any additional info will be helpful

Size of container will help too. If it's a 5-gallon you can bet roots will probably be filling the can.

 

[WalterWhite810]

Size of container will help too. If it's a 5-gallon you can bet roots will probably be filling the can.

Yes 5 gallon buckets, i ph the water at about 5.8- 6.2 no higher or lesser, my water temp is about 65 degrees, i keep my room at about 70-75 degrees. i use canna nutes, part a and part b, ive been running those two for a while now. there photo period. the strains are pineapple chunk and amnesia haze, i always run amnesia haze with no problems. lights are about a foot and a half from the plants.

 

[WalterWhite810]

I was actually in the process of testing something. I was doing a 3 plant scrog in recirculating dwc and i was also doing 3 regular dwc which i was going to lollipop both sides sometimes this week and spread the branches out on the regular dwc. im going to flower in about 2 weeks. im thinking maybe i should put the 3 that are in buckets in 18 gallon totes like the ones in the back.

 

[JohnySmith1]

You forgot the most important E.C. or PPM. According to picture, I can see some swollen leaves which indicates a lack of oxygen or typical overwatering(so you might need more powerful air pump). But it also looks like a nutrients problems, this is why E.C or PPM readings are important, or at least tell us how many ml per liter of canna a and b do you use? Also I know that canna aqua a and b are quite acidic, and you probably using ph up solution it's usually potassium hydroxide and it is not very pleasant stuff for plants. Instead, I suggest using potassium silicate(liquid silicone) to up your pH, it also will help stems get thicker and stronger.

 

[grandvapor]

You forgot the most important E.C. or PPM. According to picture, I can see some swollen leaves which indicates a lack of oxygen or typical overwatering(so you might need more powerful air pump). But it also looks like a nutrients problems, this is why E.C or PPM readings are important, or at least tell us how many ml per liter of canna a and b do you use? Also I know that canna aqua a and b are quite acidic, and you probably using ph up solution it's usually potassium hydroxide and it is not very pleasant stuff for plants. Instead, I suggest using potassium silicate(liquid silicone) to up your pH, it also will help stems get thicker and stronger.

I'd personally argue that air/oxygen to the roots is more important. How much air you pumping to each reservoir? I'm on my first DWC and literally just got home from swapping out my air pumps tonight. I was way "under-bubbling" my plants using little 3 watt aquarium pumps.

They looked droopy every day at the end of the light cycle and perked back up in the dark.

Too little air was my problem. Tell us a bit more about your equipment and care regimen.

 

[WalterWhite810]

I'd personally argue that air/oxygen to the roots is more important. How much air you pumping to each reservoir? I'm on my first DWC and literally just got home from swapping out my air pumps tonight. I was way "under-bubbling" my plants using little 3 watt aquarium pumps.

They looked droopy every day at the end of the light cycle and perked back up in the dark.

Too little air was my problem. Tell us a bit more about your equipment and care regimen.

Im actually using a commercial air pump. 1300 gph, i never had a problem with it before. at the moment i dont have a ppm meter but i never used one before and still never had this problem, maybe i should invest in one. but i use 40ml of part a and 40ml of part b per 5 gallons of water. which is slightly less than recommended. Ill also note that our water source did recently just change, the tap used to come out of the faucet at 7.2ph but since there now getting it from another city its much higher at 8.5-9

 

[JohnySmith1]

Im actually using a commercial air pump. 1300 gph, i never had a problem with it before. at the moment i dont have a ppm meter but i never used one before and still never had this problem, maybe i should invest in one. but i use 40ml of part a and 40ml of part b per 5 gallons of water. which is slightly less than recommended. Ill also note that our water source did recently just change, the tap used to come out of the faucet at 7.2ph but since there now getting it from another city its much higher at 8.5-9

It's too much of fertilizers, this amount should be used late in flowering. Mix with pH'd water to 50% concentration(or change reservoir completely and add 2ml per liter of each ), plant than should perk up within few days.
If you are growing in DWC its essential to have a PPM meter. Also, I am wondering why did you choice DWC method, its too difficult and unforgiving! Unless you are a commercial grower, organic soil should be your choice, as the only difference you will get is in yield.

 

[WalterWhite810]

It's too much of fertilizers, this amount should be used late in flowering. Mix with pH'd water to 50% concentration(or change reservoir completely and add 2ml per liter of each ), plant than should perk up within few days.
If you are growing in DWC its essential to have a PPM meter. Also, I am wondering why did you choice DWC method, its too difficult and unforgiving! Unless you are a commercial grower, organic soil should be your choice, as the only difference you will get is in yield.

Well i've been running dwc for a while now, i just like the fast vegetative growth. I have about 3 rooms set up, all dwc. Well i have one room in soil but mostly dwc. I never really have issues when i run dwc. Plus like you mentioned before, the yield is much bigger. I usually only veg 30 days max with dwc, in soil i have to do 2-3 times that to get the same results.

 

[WalterWhite810]

And also my air stones are stuck inside the roots now lol.. the roots completely swallowed it up.

 

[JohnySmith1]

It's totally good if you prefer DWC to soil, it's just allot harder. Funny that you mentioned your air stones are covered with the roots, they may block the air channels of the stone. Check if your air pump is hotter than usual, if it's that would mean it's having hard time pumping air through all these roots.

 

[WalterWhite810]

It's totally good if you prefer DWC to soil, it's just allot harder. Funny that you mentioned your air stones are covered with the roots, they may block the air channels of the stone. Check if your air pump is hotter than usual, if it's that would mean it's having hard time pumping air through all these roots.

That would make perfect sense. so should i throw another air stone in to balance it out? the only way im getting that stone out is if i damage the roots.

 

[grandvapor]

Everyone makes DWC look so easy...

It's fucking tricky! Compared to coco (strain differences aside), it's really difficult to control. Not sure why we suggest this to so many people. The learning curve is really tough.

 

[WalterWhite810]

Everyone makes DWC look so easy...

It's fucking tricky! Compared to coco (strain differences aside), it's really difficult to control. Not sure why we suggest this to so many people. The learning curve is really tough.

It is tricky but worth the reward if you can get it down pack.

 

[JohnySmith1]

That would make perfect sense. so should i throw another air stone in to balance it out? the only way im getting that stone out is if i damage the roots.

Yes, I would throw another one in.

 

[grandvapor]

It is tricky but worth the reward if you can get it down pack.

Definitely not giving up either