Will the current legal marijuana market be dramatically different in 5 years?

[avrguy]

I had been thinking about this and I was hoping to get feedback on what I think might happen. Once all the legal states allow out of state companies and the feds allow tax write offs most people agree big companies will get interested. I think they are however salivating at the mouth because of marijuanas characteristics. Each strand gives you a different high, they all taste different and to grow a truly incredible plant is fairly hard and requires experience. All Alcohol and tobacco arguably give you the same feeling good regardless there is a taste difference though. Nicotine doesn't have different feelings and beer is beer whether you drink 6 miller's or 6 Stella's your drunk after. I've got a feeling someone is going to take a billion dollars and hire like Harvard biochemists to just go scientifically crazy and develop super strands that all have different perfected highs and are perfected on like a molecular level. And with leds and solar getting more cheap and efficient massive indoors will probably be around and obviously the most successful weed company will have pot that is the best stuff ever as marijuana smokers are slightly obsessed with the best. So these companies will have super strands with perfect highs and quality from super supreme nutrient and growing techniques that'll produce something that I'm guessing doesn't exist yet. going by the fact Colorados prices have halfed, at every gas station they'll have perfectly rolled perfect marijuana individually rolled in packs of 10 and 5 grams for like $20 and insane quality. That still means that each plant will produces hundreds of dollars of product which is beyond lucrative considering its just a plant and theyll make like 50 million plants a year. 98% of people like me don't want a stash of pot that we have to roll or pack in to a bowl and feel like a teenager. most people just want to buy a super high quality pack keep it in a drawer and forget about it. I'm guessing like 95% of these mom and pop growers and cannabis dispensarys will all close because they won't be able to compete with biochemists from Harvard and most people just want to go to the liquor store or gas station and not make a production out of it. what do you guys think am I right?

 

[avrguy]

Technically 1 good quality tobacco plant which is grown 1 time annualy makes like 5 packs of smokes and in many states a pack of smokes costs like $4. Marijuana grows like what 6 times annualy and a super high yielding well grown plant could make like 15 packs of 10 gram pack of smokes. So 90 packs annually from one garden pot of ganja compared to one garden pot making 5 packs of cigarettes annually and costing like $4 a pack in North dakota? Granted the marijuana if super high quality will require expensive nutrients and led lights and solar panels, but maybe $5-8 a pack after taxes of 10 gram 20 individually plastic wrapped marijuana cigarettes of quality that doesnt even exist now? Even at that price it will be far far far more lucrative to grow beyond top shelf marijuana as opposed to tobacco. Shwag or even average marijuana will not exist. If it does it'll be like $10 a lb. why would you want it?

 

[Jimmy Sparkle]

Medical cannabis will be sold by government entities only for a premium. It will no longer be quasi legal to grow. People Will be getting busted for it again , it will eventually implode and go back underground. Too many unintelligent people for this to work correctly. I'm surprised its lasted this long.

 

[avrguy]

Medical cannabis will be sold by government entities only for a premium. It will no longer be quasi legal to grow. People Will be getting busted for it again , it will eventually implode and go back underground. Too many unintelligent people for this to work correctly. I'm surprised its lasted this long.

I doubt it as the government currently doesn't sell any products that's socialism. Also in the past 10 years pro legalization has gone from like what was it like 25% national approval to maybe 55%? figuring Canada is suppose to be legal soon and Mexico is supposedly a few years away it's doubtfull. There are no big corporations lobbying against this if anything their eyes are watering with greed and are pro lobbying. I assure you it won't go underground again.

 

[Jimmy Sparkle]

I doubt it as the government currently doesn't sell any products that's socialism. Also in the past 10 years pro legalization has gone from like what was it like 25% national approval to maybe 55%? figuring Canada is suppose to be legal soon and Mexico is supposedly a few years away it's doubtfull. There are no big corporations lobbying against this if anything their eyes are watering with greed and are pro lobbying. I assure you it won't go underground again.

I disagree but hey it will be fun to see what happens. Personally, I hate how main stream it has gotten I would welcome it going back the way it was any day.

 

[avrguy]

I disagree but hey it will be fun to see what happens. Personally, I hate how main stream it has gotten I would welcome it going back the way it was any day.

lol I know no offense but I've seen enough videos of hippies in the forest complaining about the governments view on marinuana with a look of satisfaction as they gazed at their plants with red eyes to know that the fight is 90% of the fun and the underground concept is exciting I personally am excited for that culture to disappear

 

[Jimmy Sparkle]

lol I know no offense but I've seen enough videos of hippies in the forest complaining about the governments view on marinuana with a look of satisfaction as they gazed at their plants with red eyes to know that the fight is 90% of the fun and the underground concept is exciting I personally am excited for that culture to disappear

No offence taken but don't categorise me with that burned out hippy shit. I don't have dreads , no black lights adorning my house,I don't wear tie dye or drive a vw bus LMFAO. I hate the stigma or culture if you will that is associated with cannabis and all its facets. What I hate is when something cool gets thrown into a mainstream cesspool like every other fucking thing that was cool but now sucks because of its popularity or trendiness.... Tattoos, cigars, beards, beer ect should I continue? It was fun chatting with you partner. Gotta get up waaaay to early. Peace .Btw I wear a beard, have 1 tattoo ,make beer ect LMFAO.... I acquired said items before popularity FYI...

 

[avrguy]

You too senor. I personally don't care about stuff being mainstream or not. I like things based on the subject at hand not whether everyone is doing it or not. My worry is abuse of it since it'll get way cheaper and better. I mean if you can get stuff like 20 times cheaper and better and you know theres no crazy street drug added I'm all for it who cares if its popular? I personally don't do it all that much anymore just occasionaly as it loses its fun if i do it too much. I was just curiois what people thought of my theory. Everyone have a good one peace out!

 

[AllynIndoorFarms]

Just to touch on one part:
I think some of those "biochemists" who would be the consults to a company creating some "super-strains" in your idea of the future are the guys humbly dolling out advice in these very forums. Don't underestimate the time-based experience some of these people have already, in addition to what is clearly a specific, scientific understanding of genetics, nutrient interactions, climate creation, etc. I joined these forums based on a few really accurate, well-informed responses that could come only from educated mo-fos.
I'd imagine that we're smoking research-backed, genetic miracles already.

 

[Jimmy Sparkle]

Just to touch on one part:
I think some of those "biochemists" who would be the consults to a company creating some "super-strains" in your idea of the future are the guys humbly dolling out advice in these very forums. Don't underestimate the time-based experience some of these people have already, in addition to what is clearly a specific, scientific understanding of genetics, nutrient interactions, climate creation, etc. I joined these forums based on a few really accurate, well-informed responses that could come only from educated mo-fos.
I'd imagine that we're smoking research-backed, genetic miracles already.

That was bad ass

 

[avrguy]

Just to touch on one part:
I think some of those "biochemists" who would be the consults to a company creating some "super-strains" in your idea of the future are the guys humbly dolling out advice in these very forums. Don't underestimate the time-based experience some of these people have already, in addition to what is clearly a specific, scientific understanding of genetics, nutrient interactions, climate creation, etc. I joined these forums based on a few really accurate, well-informed responses that could come only from educated mo-fos.
I'd imagine that we're smoking research-backed, genetic miracles already.

Right but the stuff I'm referencing is labs with millions and millions of dollars of high tech equipment and millions of man hours of research by people with PHDs and companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars. No offense it's going to be like comparing Pfizer to a coffee shop in Amsterdam lol that's a little different.

 

[tyke1973]

Can't see no change in the uk ,stupid old fools in charge of the country, there not willing to even listen to the benefits of cannabis.

 

[Cobnobuler]

Big tobacco has big money. If they decide to get in they'll run the table. They might not control all of it, but they'll take most of it. There might always be markets for boutique type of products but they'll own the mainstream real quick if they decide they want it.

 

[70's natureboy]

Just like nobody rolls their own ciggarettes , nobody will roll their own weed either in the future. It will be mechanically cleaned and rolled by big tobacco and nobody will care about the taste or the buzz. Enjoy the good tasting weed while you can.

 

[az2000]

I doubt it as the government currently doesn't sell any products that's socialism.

I think that's a dubious distinction. If it goes as suggested (which I don't agree) it will likely be tax-stamped by the ATF like alcohol. That's how a government can "sell it" as a monopoly, but do it through others. (Facism?). They just restrict who can purchase the tax stamps (in the same way they can control who makes firearms, or alcohol).

Or, it could be through the DEA. Make it sched 5 and sold over the counter at the pharmacy like pseudophedrine. A limit on how much you can purchase per month which the pharmacy checks through a connection to a government site.

I don't see that happening because it's so easy to grow. When I was young you had to move to Mendocino county (or something) to learn to grow. Now you can gain a year's experience in a week of surfing the web over a week. It's an unenforceable law. If they regulated it as a monopoly (above) it would still have to account for home growers (like home brewers) just so there wouldn't be the appearance of an unenforceable law (yet still have teeth to go after obvious abusers of "sensible" home growing).

 

[budman111]

Can't see no change in the uk ,stupid old fools in charge of the country, there not willing to even listen to the benefits of cannabis.

Don't be fooled, the UK Government knows that Cannabis has a lot of benefits, they give a grow license to G.W Pharmaceuticals to grow tons of weed and sell it in tinctures to the foreign market whilst telling its own UK citizens that it has absolutely no medical benefits whatsoever and so they say it must be prohibited.

 

[vro]

Harvard and all those schools are fucking stupid getting accepted to them is more of who you know rather than what you know

 

[avrguy]

Wow everyone is really paranoid about marijuanas future and the government lol. You got to think about this way business people do. The legal market is saturated with quality stuff the fact that people think quality would degrade with more competition is a contradiction of how business works in 2015. Probably 4 or 5 big companies will pop up and there will be fierce competition to corner the market. Now that premium 2015 LED lights are putting out amazing light at 400 watts and produce no heat, it'd be solar powered and constructed in the right region of the country would require much, much less power than if this were 1990. Let's say companies now inventing good new strains now and days spend maybe $30,000 developing a new strand. 2 or 3 big companies may spend $50,000,000 on each strand they put out. 10 strands for $500 million and a $1 billion dollar factory/lab/indoor grow would be paid off after the first year even if they sold 10 gram packs to retail stores for $5 a pop. Then yearly you'd just have to pay employees and nutrients, supplies and water since electricity would be solar also LED lights last a long time. If it weren't so freaking lucrative to do this maybe they wouldn't spare no expense, but it's a God damn gold mine if they can corner the market. And does anyone here watch the news? Las Vegas and California will be legal next year which will mean like 25% of the dang country would have recreational marijuana. It's hysterical that people are convinced the country is going to go 180 degrees and do the opposite of what a quarter of the country will have done next year.

 

[Aeroknow]

Wow everyone is really paranoid about marijuanas future and the government lol. You got to think about this way business people do. The legal market is saturated with quality stuff the fact that people think quality would degrade with more competition is a contradiction of how business works in 2015. Probably 4 or 5 big companies will pop up and there will be fierce competition to corner the market. Now that premium 2015 LED lights are putting out amazing light at 400 watts and produce no heat, it'd be solar powered and constructed in the right region of the country would require much, much less power than if this were 1990. Let's say companies now inventing good new strains now and days spend maybe $30,000 developing a new strand. 2 or 3 big companies may spend $50,000,000 on each strand they put out. 10 strands for $500 million and a $1 billion dollar factory/lab/indoor grow would be paid off after the first year even if they sold 10 gram packs to retail stores for $5 a pop. Then yearly you'd just have to pay employees and nutrients, supplies and water since electricity would be solar also LED lights last a long time. If it weren't so freaking lucrative to do this maybe they wouldn't spare no expense, but it's a God damn gold mine if they can corner the market. And does anyone here watch the news? Las Vegas and California will be legal next year which will mean like 25% of the dang country would have recreational marijuana. It's hysterical that people are convinced the country is going to go 180 degrees and do the opposite of what a quarter of the country will have done next year.

Well,


















At least you spelt strains correctly once.
I fucking hate it when people say strands. Wtf is a strand of marijuana?

 

[a mongo frog]

Wow everyone is really paranoid about marijuanas future and the government lol. You got to think about this way business people do. The legal market is saturated with quality stuff the fact that people think quality would degrade with more competition is a contradiction of how business works in 2015. Probably 4 or 5 big companies will pop up and there will be fierce competition to corner the market. Now that premium 2015 LED lights are putting out amazing light at 400 watts and produce no heat, it'd be solar powered and constructed in the right region of the country would require much, much less power than if this were 1990. Let's say companies now inventing good new strains now and days spend maybe $30,000 developing a new strand. 2 or 3 big companies may spend $50,000,000 on each strand they put out. 10 strands for $500 million and a $1 billion dollar factory/lab/indoor grow would be paid off after the first year even if they sold 10 gram packs to retail stores for $5 a pop. Then yearly you'd just have to pay employees and nutrients, supplies and water since electricity would be solar also LED lights last a long time. If it weren't so freaking lucrative to do this maybe they wouldn't spare no expense, but it's a God damn gold mine if they can corner the market. And does anyone here watch the news? Las Vegas and California will be legal next year which will mean like 25% of the dang country would have recreational marijuana. It's hysterical that people are convinced the country is going to go 180 degrees and do the opposite of what a quarter of the country will have done next year.

And the medical patients and the real cannabis culture wouldn't give 2 fucks about big companies doing their thing. We will all still grow our own, and set up doobie shacks at all major tourist path ways. Roll you a joint of 28 percent for 5 fucking bucks. See you on your way back too friend.