Speech from the throne....

[sunni]

sounds like hes trying to make all sides happy

allow refugees but also help the vets of canada have better access to help

works with the aboriginals of canada to regain trust and start the healing process
heres the missing and murdered link for anyone who wants it http://www.cbc.ca/missingandmurdered/ very informatitive

legalize marijuana but restrict it from underage users (is what is probably going to happen) Justin has always said he wants to restrict marijuana from children and underage users to keep it off the streets he feels legalizing is how we can accomplish that and i dont see whats wrong with that. a 10 year old should have 0 access to drugs and alcohol including marijuana unless its a prescription medication for them,
justin has always said he feels our past ways of marijuana restriction has not worked to keep it off the streets and out of the hands of children and contributing to illegal activities. he feels by legalizing it and restricting its access it will have a better outcome for everyone

as much as everyone wants a free legal weed where we can all run around growing plants on the side of the road holding hands smoking joints in a hippy communal we need to be realistic that isnt going to happen and some people dont want that. so why not come to a middle ground where people who really need for medication have access , and people who want to rec use dont get thrown in jail or charged with fines, but that its also restricted enough that children or drug "cartels" (using that word loosely) arent using it /abusing the access to it

i cant believe some people are so unbelievably unrealistic that they cant see restrict means to keep it out of kids ./underage users hands just like alcohol. dont get your panties in a knot over the word "restriction"

the fact that it was mentioned at all with all thats going on is astonishing imho.

guys i realize we are a pot forum, so that is obviously something thats important to us, but do you guys like ever see what else is going on in the world and see maybe marijuana consumption for recreational use is like..not really that important..like there are other problems to be solved right now, or rather that take precedence over recreational marijuana

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

sounds like hes trying to make all sides happy

allow refugees but also help the vets of canada have better access to help

works with the aboriginals of canada to regain trust and start the healing process
heres the missing and murdered link for anyone who wants it http://www.cbc.ca/missingandmurdered/ very informatitive

legalize marijuana but restrict it from underage users (is what is probably going to happen) Justin has always said he wants to restrict marijuana from children and underage users to keep it off the streets he feels legalizing is how we can accomplish that and i dont see whats wrong with that. a 10 year old should have 0 access to drugs and alcohol including marijuana unless its a prescription medication for them,
justin has always said he feels our past ways of marijuana restriction has not worked to keep it off the streets and out of the hands of children and contributing to illegal activities. he feels by legalizing it and restricting its access it will have a better outcome for everyone

as much as everyone wants a free legal weed where we can all run around growing plants on the side of the road holding hands smoking joints in a hippy communal we need to be realistic that isnt going to happen and some people dont want that. so why not come to a middle ground where people who really need for medication have access , and people who want to rec use dont get thrown in jail or charged with fines, but that its also restricted enough that children or drug "cartels" (using that word loosely) arent using it /abusing the access to it

i cant believe some people are so unbelievably unrealistic that they cant see restrict means to keep it out of kids ./underage users hands just like alcohol. dont get your panties in a knot over the word "restriction"

the fact that it was mentioned at all with all thats going on is astonishing imho.

guys i realize we are a pot forum, so that is obviously something thats important to us, but do you guys like ever see what else is going on in the world and see maybe marijuana consumption for recreational use is like..not really that important..like there are other problems to be solved right now, or rather that take precedence over recreational marijuana

 

[Zig-Zag Blue]

I grew up around frozen mushroom balls in the freezer bags of seedy pot laying on the end table and swish barrels of rye and water in the basement and i turned out fine ....twitch twitch

 

[The Hippy]

Oh please, you and the rest of you mindless hippies have been sucking Justin's flaccid appendage for months now. I'm here to make sure you don't now try and pretend you didn't.

Face it: Liberal "Legalization" will be Prohibition 2.0.

And there I was trying to be all nice to you......as usual you've proved nothing but the fact that your a raving fool.

You got no fuckin Idea of a better plan. Or you'd mention it.

Your repeatedly asked what your solution is and ...nothing spews from your blow hole. You've been asked who you thought was a better choice.....and then ...once again no reply that I've ever seen.
Fuck have ya got any answer other than we are all wrong. You don't even know that yet.

I'd love to hear your solution.....waiting. Because if all you are is hot air balloon filled with vomit,,,your not worth the time it take to read your stuff.

I'm still open to hearing your plan or what you think would have been better.

 

[Dexster]

As long as he mentioned marijuana in one of the most important speeches of his life is what makes me happy

 

[torontoke]

guys i realize we are a pot forum, so that is obviously something thats important to us, but do you guys like ever see what else is going on in the world and see maybe marijuana consumption for recreational use is like..not really that important..like there are other problems to be solved right now, or rather that take precedence over recreational marijuana

I agree with you 100%
Until you got to this paragraph.
Personally I think it's time for some of our politicians to care even less about what's going on outside of Canada.
We have a million problems of our own that I would say are more important than Rec pot. But let's solve a few of those before trying to be planet earths garbage man, police or social worker.
I think it's fantastic that they want to help 25,000 refugees escape a war torn country. However there's probably 100,000 Canadians and families that are borderline homeless this holiday season that probably feel like they need to be rescued too. Not to mention the thousands incarcerated for mj that had delusions of grandeur that they would be set free or at least that the in door would stop opening.

 

[sunni]

I agree with you 100%
Until you got to this paragraph.
Personally I think it's time for some of our politicians to care even less about what's going on outside of Canada.
We have a million problems of our own that I would say are more important than Rec pot. But let's solve a few of those before trying to be planet earths garbage man, police or social worker.
I think it's fantastic that they want to help 25,000 refugees escape a war torn country. However there's probably 100,000 Canadians that are borderline homeless this holiday season that probably feel like they need to be rescued too. Not to mention the thousands incarcerated for mj that had delusions of grandeur that they would be set free or at least that the in door would stop opening.

i certainly think theres other important canadian issues that take before rec pot use
i certainly think they can do several all the same time,

perhaps world was the wrong choice, but i say it because what we do as a country can effect the rest of the world
how we change on global warming, i would the earth to still be here for my kids would you? im sure you do.

as an (almost) social worker i can promise you canada has alot of things to help people who are homeless and the majority of those homeless people do not want help.
i know we can do more , and it seems he has mentioned we will be doing more for them and thats great
but i hate when people put the argument in our homeless come first, before refugees because the people who say that almost never did a goddamn thing before hand and its only because they dont want refugees that they even bring up the homeless.

both our homeless and the refugees need help, but i hate it when people use our homeless problem as a way to trump refugees when those exact people arent doing jack shit for the homeless anyways.
they refuse to help they dont help and they use it as a scape goat

 

[The Hippy]

Most people won't tell their honest feeling over the refugee situation I have found.
Nobody wants to look inappropriate.
Any senior I've spoken with are dead against it and JT's plan. I know a few seniors that update me on what they see other older folks saying.

 

[sunni]

we have a priority to help as a first world country thats how it works.

but i really hate it when people use the homeless in canada as a way to try and say no to refugees,
cause almost always the people shouting that never gave a goddamn about the homeless of canada until the refugees were promised to come here

personal pet peeve i suppose. i believe we can help both.

 

[The Hippy]

i certainly think theres other important canadian issues that take before rec pot use
i certainly think they can do several all the same time,

perhaps world was the wrong choice, but i say it because what we do as a country can effect the rest of the world
how we change on global warming, i would the earth to still be here for my kids would you? im sure you do.

as an (almost) social worker i can promise you canada has alot of things to help people who are homeless and the majority of those homeless people do not want help.
i know we can do more , and it seems he has mentioned we will be doing more for them and thats great
but i hate when people put the argument in our homeless come first, before refugees because the people who say that almost never did a goddamn thing before hand and its only because they dont want refugees that they even bring up the homeless.

both our homeless and the refugees need help, but i hate it when people use our homeless problem as a way to trump refugees when those exact people arent doing jack shit for the homeless anyways.
They refuse to help they don't help and they use it as a scape goat

Sorry Sunni....but as diplomatically as you are trying to say it, the fact is, many folks have decide already that they don't want them here.
They have that right and don't need to explain it to anybody or even justify it.
They have thought about it said say " no " End of story. They don't need a reason beyond their own feelings on it.
AS I said I haven't met a senior that like it. And I'd say they have a pretty good say. Seeing as they built this place.
They are plenty of folks totally against it. and that's there comment and decision.

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

we have a priority to help as a first world country thats how it works.

but i really hate it when people use the homeless in canada as a way to try and say no to refugees,
cause almost always the people shouting that never gave a goddamn about the homeless of canada until the refugees were promised to come here

personal pet peeve i suppose. i believe we can help both.

A priority?

 

[sunni]

Sorry Sunni....but as diplomatically as you are trying to say it, the fact is, many folks have decide already that they don't want them here.
They have that right and don't need to explain it to anybody or even justify it.
They have thought about it said say " no " End of story. They don't need a reason beyond their own feelings on it.
AS I said I haven't met a senior that like it. And I'd say they have a pretty good say. Seeing as they built this place.
They are plenty of folks totally against it. and that's there comment and decision.

im not saying people cant say they dont want it to happen
im saying dont use our homeless as a scape goat to make it sound like you care. when you dont. and you never helped our homeless in the first place.

 

[redi jedi]

I care alot more about not going to jail for growing then refugees...I dont care if my opinion isn't popular..but I think it is.

 

[redi jedi]

I understand your perspective and can appreciate someone that doesn't agree with mine.
I can only speak from personal experience. I haven't been allowed to work for three yrs and I have been 50 bucks from homeless longer than I care to admit and I can assure you that every program and service I applied to politely declined me because I wasn't a minority or deemed catastrophic.
Ontario housing told me there was a 8 month waiting list to get on the 6 yr waiting list. If that isn't proof enough that more help is needed here first then I don't know what is.
I've lived on 30 packs of mr noodles for the month and have family that call and ask me to borrow money

Dont worry toke...now the gov will call to ask for more money for the refugees...that will get bumped to top of the list.

 

[sunni]

I understand your perspective and can appreciate someone that doesn't agree with mine.
I can only speak from personal experience. I haven't been allowed to work for three yrs and I have been 50 bucks from homeless longer than I care to admit and I can assure you that every program and service I applied to politely declined me because I wasn't a minority or deemed catastrophic.
Ontario housing told me there was a 8 month waiting list to get on the 6 yr waiting list. If that isn't proof enough that more help is needed here first then I don't know what is.
I've lived on 30 packs of mr noodles for the month and have family that call and ask me to borrow money

ontario is the worst,
im not saying we dont need more help please i encourage you to really listen to what im saying

im saying i hate it when people use that specific line to say no to refugees when they never helped in the first place

as someone who used to lobby alot, do petitions, go to hearings, and create functions and organizations in my home town to try and help the less fortunate, i hate it when people who go around and never did jack shit for our homeless say things like " fix our homeless problem and help canadians first before refugees"
meanwhile these people saying that line never helped. they dont help. they never come to the rallies, or sign the petitions or work with the organizations and community events , they never donate they dont give that 10$ in their pocket to the guy on the street they are only saying it because they dont want the refugees

thats the only thing im trying to say here, is that i dont like it when people act high and mighty and they do jack shit 365 days of the year for the problem

 

[The Hippy]

im not saying people cant say they dont want it to happen
im saying dont use our homeless as a scape goat to make it sound like you care. when you dont. and you never helped our homeless in the first place.

They can use whatever excuse they see fit. It's only an excuse in your eyes...not their. In their mind that is their opinion. Some folks make up their mind and that's it.
In reality it's none of our business. all they need to do is say it.
We can disagree, but to pick it apart and say i'st only an excuse is incorrect.

 

[Zig-Zag Blue]

I personally am against bringing in refugees as the money spent just bringing them here not to mention the costs associated with housing training etc could be spent towards our ailing infrastructure and other social programs,our economy is bad imo as i just got a layoff at the end of Oct. after years and years of being gainfully employed now my kids are going to be in competition for the few jobs that are out there.and i think employers would rather hire foreigners as they work harder for less.thats just my 2 cents take it as you may

 

[Dexster]

I was once a refugee and I still served Canada for over 12 years, you got a problem with refugees?

 

[The Hippy]

ontario is the worst,
im not saying we dont need more help please i encourage you to really listen to what im saying

im saying i hate it when people use that specific line to say no to refugees when they never helped in the first place

as someone who used to lobby alot, do petitions, go to hearings, and create functions and organizations in my home town to try and help the less fortunate, i hate it when people who go around and never did jack shit for our homeless say things like " fix our homeless problem and help canadians first before refugees"
meanwhile these people saying that line never helped. they dont help. they never come to the rallies, or sign the petitions or work with the organizations and community events , they never donate they dont give that 10$ in their pocket to the guy on the street they are only saying it because they dont want the refugees

thats the only thing im trying to say here, is that i dont like it when people act high and mighty and they do jack shit 365 days of the year for the problem

Well I've paid plenty of taxes over the last 40 year and counting. Was none of that used to help the homeless. I think it was.
Paying taxes as a Canadian means you have ALREADY help people with ALL kinds of problems.
So I'd say as a tax payer, people can bitch, and say no to allocating more taxes where they don't see them fit to be applied.

 

[redi jedi]

ontario is the worst,
im not saying we dont need more help please i encourage you to really listen to what im saying

im saying i hate it when people use that specific line to say no to refugees when they never helped in the first place

as someone who used to lobby alot, do petitions, go to hearings, and create functions and organizations in my home town to try and help the less fortunate, i hate it when people who go around and never did jack shit for our homeless say things like " fix our homeless problem and help canadians first before refugees"
meanwhile these people saying that line never helped. they dont help. they never come to the rallies, or sign the petitions or work with the organizations and community events , they never donate they dont give that 10$ in their pocket to the guy on the street they are only saying it because they dont want the refugees

thats the only thing im trying to say here, is that i dont like it when people act high and mighty and they do jack shit 365 days of the year for the problem

Ya..horrible people, they just pay the taxes that funds all this shit.