Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[hyroot]

hey everyone long time lurker been reading non stop for who knows how long know I've never grown organic but I've been wanting to switch over to organics and get away from commercial nutes hopefully I've come up with a decent mix I've looked over so many different recipes nd kinda mixed a couple to come up with what I got if yall could leave feedback on your guys opinons on if my ratios are rite id greatly appreciate it

19cf @3.8 cf per bag 5bags for 19cf 142.5gallons befor ammendments

per cu ft total for 19cf base

Fish meal 2cups 38cups

fish bone meal 2 cup 38cups

shrip/crab meal 1/2cup 9.5cups

alfalfa meal 1/2cup 9.5cups

flax seed meal 1/2cup 9.5cups

neem seed meal 1/2cup 9.5cups

kelp meal 1cup 19cups

oyster shell flour 1/2cup 9.5cups

gypsum 1/2cup 9.5cups

dolomite lime 1/2cup 9.5cups

azomite 1/3cup 6.55cups

glacial rock dust 1/3cup 6.55cups

soft rock phosphate 1/3cup 6.55cups

humates 1tsp 2/5th cup

green sand 1/2cup 9.5cups

k mag 1cup 19cups

earth worm castings 1/2cu ft 9cu ft

pro mix 3.8cuft per bag 6 bags 19 cu ft +3.8 for cutting it down for younger plants

I feel as though this is off some how I've read thru numerous mixes nd this is what I came up with any help is greatly appreciated

That's some redundant over kill . Drop k mag, soft rock phosphate, green sand, humates. azomite, dolomite lime, and maybe alfalfa. I used to use alfalfa in my mix but I don't anymore. I like the results. More. I just use it in teas during veg.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

My current mix is

Peat, pumice , vc

Crab meal
Neem cake
Karanja cake
Fish bone meal
Kelp meal
Oyster shell flour
Basalt rock dust

But want do any of you think about adding fish meal?

Fish meal is some good stuff man, has a similar availability as the alfalfa meal, and you mentioned you dropped the alfalfa from your mix, it may need that extra kick from the nitrogen. Even though you have it in other sources, the fish meal tends to keep em green longer.
I love fish meal, I use it in my compost pile ever winter... in fact I got three lbs of it this last weekend to match with my 8 bigass bags of leaves
Along with eight other nutrients... I had a leak in my vege room this last storm and it filled up my bucket that I had allll my nutrients in...
talk about smelly...
had to bury that bastard

even still I spent less than 50 bucks on nutrients that will last the next three yrs or more

 

[dcasper75]

That's some redundant over kill . Drop k mag, soft rock phosphate, green sand, humates. azomite, dolomite lime, and maybe alfalfa. I used to use alfalfa in my mix but I don't anymore. I like the results. More. I just use it in teas during veg.

awesome I really appreciate your response it means a lot do u think my ratios are rite the 1/2cups nd wat not per cu ft all the way thru to keep everything good ?
so ive gone thru nd made some changes if u give me the thumbs up iamma get on pickin up everything I need asap heres the new mix
per cubic ft
Fish meal 2cups
fish bone meal 2cups
shrip/crab meal 1/2 1/2cup
neem seed meal 1/2cup
kelp meal 1cup
oyster shell flour 2/2
glacial rock dust 1/3cup


earth worm castings

equal parts or 2 to 1 on ewc nd peat

pro mix /sunshine organic peat

 

[hyroot]

awesome I really appreciate your response it means a lot do u think my ratios are rite the 1/2cups nd wat not per cu ft all the way thru to keep everything good ?
so ive gone thru nd made some changes if u give me the thumbs up iamma get on pickin up everything I need asap heres the new mix
per cubic ft
Fish meal 2cups
fish bone meal 2cups
shrip/crab meal 1/2 1/2cup
neem seed meal 1/2cup
kelp meal 1cup
oyster shell flour 2/2
glacial rock dust 1/3cup


earth worm castings

equal parts or 2 to 1 on ewc nd peat

pro mix /sunshine organic peat

Per cu ft. I do 1/2 cup or each and 1/4 cup for neem and karanja. 2-3 cups of rock dust and 1 cup of oyster shell flour.

 

[hyroot]

I just had this troll arguing with me so tough in the probiotic farmers alliance group on facebook. He was defending omri and kept telling me I was wrong about how everything is made. I looked at his profile and he was so full of it. He even said he was one chemistry class away from being a certified pest control advisor. They don't have chemistry classes

 

[dcasper75]

I just had this troll arguing with me so tough in the probiotic farmers alliance group on facebook. He was defending omri and kept telling me I was wrong about how everything is made. I looked at his profile and he was so full of it. He even said he was one chemistry class away from being a certified pest control advisor. They don't have chemistry classes

you not a fan of OMRI ? are they bs not as organic as they claim just slaps there logo on anythining if the company is willing to pay for it ?

 

[hyroot]

you not a fan of OMRI ? are they bs not as organic as they claim just slaps there logo on anythining if the company is willing to pay for it ?

Not a fan they're b.s.. so many so called organic nutes with chems in them are omri listed.

 

[dcasper75]

wow i really appreciate that tid bit of info someone told me to steer away from the pro mix sice it has chem ferts in it nd to lok for a organic omri listed peat now iam wondering about that stuff lol

 

[littlejacob]

Per cu ft. I do 1/2 cup or each and 1/4 cup for neem and karanja. 2-3 cups of rock dust and 1 cup of oyster shell flour.

Bonjour
If I crush oyster shell myself will it do the job...it must me very thin...micronised?
How can I do that?
May I add other shells?
Have a nice day !

 

[hyroot]

Bonjour
If I crush oyster shell myself will it do the job...it must me very thin...micronised?
How can I do that?
May I add other shells?
Have a nice day !

Use a mortar and pestle to pulverize them. You can use shrimp shell meal and lobster shell meal too.

 

[BigDoobie]

Bonjour
If I crush oyster shell myself will it do the job...it must me very thin...micronised?
How can I do that?
May I add other shells?
Have a nice day !

You can put it in a bag and hammer it to death. Crushed oyster shell isn't the same as oyster shell flour.

 

[littlejacob]

Bonjour
What do I have to do to transform it in flour?
Use(the metal tool they use in cartoon to ecape from jail!!! Sorry! Lol!)?
Or in my uncle workshop he have sand paper machine with a very large band!?
My brother have a friend who work with stone...granit/marbre and many else...he must have a machine who transform stone in dust!
So which one is the good solution?
CU

 

[littlejacob]

@hyroot I can't believe I have find karanja and neem cake in France...on an organic site...not too expensive...it is cool!
When you say rock dust...what kind of rock?
Thanks

 

[hyroot]

@hyroot I can't believe I have find karanja and neem cake in France...on an organic site...not too expensive...it is cool!
When you say rock dust...what kind of rock?
Thanks

I like basalt rock dust the most.

 

[littlejacob]

Bonjour
I can source it too...pretty cool!
I am going to try to copy your mix...!
I thought it would be more difficult!
CU

 

[snooplover5]

@hyroot I can't believe I have find karanja and neem cake in France...on an organic site...not too expensive...it is cool!
When you say rock dust...what kind of rock?
Thanks

Hello Littlejacob,

You're a better Googler than I am, I've been looking for this too in our good old French land. But I have been more than unsuccessful.
Do you order it online or from a local shop? If online, can you share the address

Cheers !

 

[ShLUbY]

got a question for recycling the soil. about how much compost/ewc do you guys like to add when busting up the containers for recycle/composting session before reuse??

 

[hyroot]

got a question for recycling the soil. about how much compost/ewc do you guys like to add when busting up the containers for recycle/composting session before reuse??

Same as a soil mix. 33%. Usually replant in same pot and topdress a 2 inch layer of ewc/ compost - vermicompost

 

[ShLUbY]

Same as a soil mix. 33%. Usually replant in same pot and topdress a 2 inch layer of ewc/ compost - vermicompost

wow alright cool, i was thinking about 15-20% so i'm glad i asked. just curious but have you tried to go lighter or do you find the microbes are devouring the compost pretty well through?

 

[hyroot]

wow alright cool, i was thinking about 15-20% so i'm glad i asked. just curious but have you tried to go lighter or do you find the microbes are devouring the compost pretty well through?

I've done all different ratios. Under published papers from universities that say around 30% will yield best results. They were right. After seeing so myself and others on here.

Yes microbes go nuts.