If Bernie Sanders is for Peace...why did he....

[pnwmystery]

Maybe everything should be socialized?

Whatcha got in your fridge, ?... I'm getting a little hungry.... and tell your old lady to bring me a beer after she's done with my laundry...get a move on son!!

What are you so afraid of?

Well that's not hyperbolic at all...

 

[Rob Roy]

Well that's not hyperbolic at all...

 

[see4]

I am familiar with John Locke. One of his books is now gathering dust in my library.

No, Bernie voted to fund more death, it was kind of cute how you tried to grant him immunity from his actions though.

I'm not granting him immunity, stop making shit up.
Bernie is no more voting to fund more death, than Obamacare has brought on death panels. You need to stop listening to the Faux noises in your head old man.

Interesting how you vaguely glossed over John Locke. How about you enlighten us as to who he is and what he talked about, among many things, lets try to stay on topic here. Let's talk about the idea of, 'state of nature'. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Fogdog]

Maybe everything should be socialized?

Whatcha got in your fridge, ?... I'm getting a little hungry.... and tell your old lady to bring me a beer after she's done with my laundry...get a move on son!!

What are you so afraid of?

Well, Rob, I agree. Anything taken to the extreme is foolish. Take your foolish philosophy for example -- anybody can do anything as long as they have a gun and are able to protect what they consider theirs. The problem is, if you: get sick? -- lose it all; garner the attention of a gang? -- lose it all; have a bad and uncooperative neighbor that has more guns than you? -- deal with his shit coming your way via air and surface water pollution. I could go on but I made my point. Yours is a pretty dumb philosophy when you take it to the extreme, you must agree.

 

[Fogdog]

9 out of 10 women who cry "sexist" - are ugly. Did you know that?

you sexist

 

[Fogdog]

A standing Navy is all that's allowed by the constitution.

Anyone who thinks you need to fight to keep things peaceful is ignorant to the military concept of blowback. Military strategy isn't something stoners are gonna know much about. Pot is mainstream and doesnt include a subculture anymore just typical TV watching CD listening sheep.

So what does that make people who watch and comment on Pot heads? Wolves? Shepherds? No, I get it now, it makes you the the conservative Republican right wing narc.

 

[OddBall1st]

A standing Navy is all that's allowed by the constitution.

Anyone who thinks you need to fight to keep things peaceful is ignorant to the military concept of blowback. Military strategy isn't something stoners are gonna know much about. Pot is mainstream and doesnt include a subculture anymore just typical TV watching CD listening sheep.

A standing navy is not one that don`t sit down on a chair,...it`s a Navy that Stands to act. It stands for, not up.

Anyway, explain how potheads are not gonna know much about tactical movements when legal drunks have blown more operations than stoners. Ya, that`s right, Drinking is legal and kills more people yearly than all of the soldiers combined, ..Guess who is at the top of the ladder in the services when it comes to drinking, Brass.

I`ll smoke a fat bowl of ultra dank, and turn your standing Navy into a swimming team of shark food. We`ll see how much a drunk can hang with a stoner.


The most dangerous place to be will be on my ship, and the safest place to be will be on yours.

.......................................................................................................................................................................Stoner !i

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm not granting him immunity, stop making shit up.
Bernie is no more voting to fund more death, than Obamacare has brought on death panels. You need to stop listening to the Faux noises in your head old man.

Interesting how you vaguely glossed over John Locke. How about you enlighten us as to who he is and what he talked about, among many things, lets try to stay on topic here. Let's talk about the idea of, 'state of nature'. Inquiring minds want to know.

I didn't gloss over John Locke. Two Treatises is sitting in my library and my copy is probably older than you are. Perhaps another time...

Of course Bernie voted for death. He voted to fund the Pentagon multiple times, and various other votes where he knew innocent people would be murdered. Do you think the Pentagon is a charitable organization that bakes people pies rather than baking them alive?

 

[Rob Roy]

Well, Rob, I agree. Anything taken to the extreme is foolish. Take your foolish philosophy for example -- anybody can do anything as long as they have a gun and are able to protect what they consider theirs. The problem is, if you: get sick? -- lose it all; garner the attention of a gang? -- lose it all; have a bad and uncooperative neighbor that has more guns than you? -- deal with his shit coming your way via air and surface water pollution. I could go on but I made my point. Yours is a pretty dumb philosophy when you take it to the extreme, you must agree.

In your extreme and contradictory philosophy you know it's wrong for an individual to take something from another individual without permission.

Then you somehow think when the scale of theft increases, and the theft is writ large, that it becomes okay for a group of people to take from an individual....why?

I could go on, but my point is your philosophy is inconsistent and relies upon rationalization.

You posit that a group of individuals can somehow create rights that none of the individual members of the group possess, which is impossible.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm not granting him immunity, stop making shit up.
Bernie is no more voting to fund more death, than Obamacare has brought on death panels. You need to stop listening to the Faux noises in your head old man.

Interesting how you vaguely glossed over John Locke. How about you enlighten us as to who he is and what he talked about, among many things, lets try to stay on topic here. Let's talk about the idea of, 'state of nature'. Inquiring minds want to know.

Oh, the Obamacare thing...yes if a person disobeys the edict to enroll and all the followup threats based in the edict, they can ultimately be killed.

Thank you for reminding me that behind EVERY government edict, ultimately there is a death threat for failure to obey....slave.

I bet you can't refute what I just said.

 

[Fogdog]

In your extreme and contradictory philosophy you know it's wrong for an individual to take something from another individual without permission.

Then you somehow think when the scale of theft increases, and the theft is writ large, that it becomes okay for a group of people to take from an individual....why?

I could go on, but my point is your philosophy is inconsistent and relies upon rationalization.

You posit that a group of individuals can somehow create rights that none of the individual members of the group possess, which is impossible.

Enabling pedophiles and giving free rein to racists to suppress minorities is as extreme as one can get, Roy. Your idea of no government is absolutely the most extreme and foolish idea I've ever seen.

Your ideas aren't going to make it past this board or outside of your rural hovel. Spooner is dead, along with his nonsense about the Constitution. The world is safe from your and Spooner's lunacy.

 

[Fogdog]

Oh, the Obamacare thing...yes if a person disobeys the edict to enroll and all the followup threats based in the edict, they can ultimately be killed..

HUH? What in hell are talking about? Do you actually think that failure to take out health care coverage is a capital offense under the affordable care act?

 

[Rob Roy]

Enabling pedophiles and giving free rein to racists to suppress minorities is as extreme as one can get, Roy. Your idea of no government is absolutely the most extreme and foolish idea I've ever seen.

I am a rational person. Therefore I see the the world in a rational way and understand the need for complexity in today's societies. You aren't and you don't.

But then again, your ideas won't go past this board or outside of your rural hovel.

You have erroneously stated my positions. People sometimes do that when facing a superior argument, you are no exception.

I have NO interest in enabling any forms of initiatory violence, but do support every persons right to self determination as long as it doesn't take that right away from another person etc. I don't support racism and think it's stupid, but I also think watching NASCAR is stupid, should I go and force people to turn it off if they remain on their own property while watching it?

I'm not even going to address your pedo bullshit, were you channeling Cheesus Rice or just couldn't come up with anything else?

If you were rational you'd be more consistent rather than on one hand decrying violence, then on the other embracing it when it delivers you what you like.

I never said I was for no government, I said I oppose coercion based governments.

Don't you oppose coercion too or do you think forcing your ideas on people that are leaving you alone is a good idea? (by the way you will not answer that question, because you can't).

 

[Rob Roy]

HUH? What in hell are talking about? Do you actually think that failure to take out health care coverage is a capital offense under the affordable care act?

Ultimately every failure to obey a government edict and the subsequent followup edicts for that failure can result in your death.

 

[see4]

Oh, the Obamacare thing...yes if a person disobeys the edict to enroll and all the followup threats based in the edict, they can ultimately be killed.

Thank you for reminding me that behind EVERY government edict, ultimately there is a death threat for failure to obey....slave.

I bet you can't refute what I just said.

So is it our government you have a problem with, or government in general?

Need I remind you, that you and I are currently communicating through a system developed and funded [originally] by our government. And you are most certainly taking advantage of other government affiliated projects and programs. Who is stopping you from leaving, renouncing your citizenship. I'm sure Canada would be happy to take you, or perhaps Mexico?

We've been over this again and again. It is a useless, circular argument. Your logic is based in fantasy and some hyper-rationalized reality based on Faux Noose blabber. Actually, I take that back, Faux Noose is actually starting to sound logical compared to your reasoning.

Anyway Rob, enough man, you are never going to convince me of any of your logic, and I won't to you, so let's stop waisting each other's time.

 

[Rob Roy]

So is it our government you have a problem with, or government in general?

Need I remind you, that you and I are currently communicating through a system developed and funded [originally] by our government. And you are most certainly taking advantage of other government affiliated projects and programs. Who is stopping you from leaving, renouncing your citizenship. I'm sure Canada would be happy to take you, or perhaps Mexico?

We've been over this again and again. It is a useless, circular argument. Your logic is based in fantasy and some hyper-rationalized reality based on Faux Noose blabber. Actually, I take that back, Faux Noose is actually starting to sound logical compared to your reasoning.

Anyway Rob, enough man, you are never going to convince me of any of your logic, and I won't to you, so let's stop waisting each other's time.

A government isn't special or magic, it's just the vehicle that some people use to herd other people. Religions are like that too, but that scam has almost run its course.

I oppose coercion based relationships, do you ? If you do, and I hope you do, why would you embrace a coercion based relationship when it expands to the level that government is?

It appears your conflict isn't with me, it appears on the one hand WE will agree that coercion is wrong, then on the other hand you will embrace it, WHEN it appears as a government. So it seems you sometimes argue against yourself.


*wasted, not waisted...panty waist

 

[Fogdog]

Ultimately every failure to obey a government edict and the subsequent followup edicts for that failure can result in your death.

Ultimate nonsense. In your own fantasy world maybe. Roy, I think you've gone off the deep end. Explain to me how not participating in the health care insurance market can lead to a person's execution? I don't think you can write down your scenario and see how foolish you are being.

 

[see4]

A government isn't special or magic, it's just the vehicle that some people use to herd other people. Religions are like that too, but that scam has almost run its course.

I oppose coercion based relationships, do you ? If you do, and I hope you do, why would you embrace a coercion based relationship when it expands to the level that government is?

It appears your conflict isn't with me, it appears on the one hand WE will agree that coercion is wrong, then on the other hand you will embrace it, WHEN it appears as a government. So it seems you sometimes argue against yourself.


*wasted, not waisted...panty waist

No, I meant waisted. As in... panty waisted. lol.

We agree coercion is wrong. But unlike the mafia, government actually provides something in return for its "coercion".

 

[Fogdog]

You have erroneously stated my positions. People sometimes do that when facing a superior argument, you are no exception.

I have NO interest in enabling any forms of initiatory violence, but do support every persons right to self determination as long as it doesn't take that right away from another person etc. I don't support racism and think it's stupid, but I also think watching NASCAR is stupid, should I go and force people to turn it off if they remain on their own property while watching it?

I'm not even going to address your pedo bullshit, were you channeling Cheesus Rice or just couldn't come up with anything else?

If you were rational you'd be more consistent rather than on one hand decrying violence, then on the other embracing it when it delivers you what you like.

I never said I was for no government, I said I oppose coercion based governments.

Don't you oppose coercion too or do you think forcing your ideas on people that are leaving you alone is a good idea? (by the way you will not answer that question, because you can't).

So you deny that your ideas if actualized would enable pedophilia. The bullshitter here is you. I along with most of the civilized world say that the adult must leave the child alone. Children do not understand this issue and what they say cannot be construed as consent.

If you want to discuss when a child is able to understand the issue, help define the line by answering me this: Can a child under the age of 14 consent to sex with an adult of age 21 or more? If you say "yes" or "not sure", please explain how you would discern whether one 14 year old did consent and different 14 year old did not consent.

Rob, I've said this before and I'll say it again. You endlessly propound a set of ideas that would: Roll back hard won rights to minorities,
Enable sexual predators including rapists and pedophiles, Render neighbors unable to stop polluters from poisoning air and water thereby rendering the land about them unusable, Devolve society into primitive and violent clans as in Afghanistan. The end-state of your unregulated free market is monopolies. To all of this, I say, no thanks.

As evidence that your ideas fail in the the real world, your own life style, based upon your beliefs is not recognizable from poverty.

Add to this your completely insane proposal that the US unilaterally disarm in the face of relentlessly violent enemies. To all of this I say, "you are nuts" and "no thanks".

 

[Rob Roy]

Ultimate nonsense. In your own fantasy world maybe. Roy, I think you've gone off the deep end. Explain to me how not participating in the health care insurance market can lead to a person's execution? I don't think you can write down your scenario and see how foolish you are being.

Okay. I will explain it ALL the way thru. You'll belittle it, but you won't be able to refute it.

A person believes he owns the product of his labor and he isn't anyone's slave. A group of douche bags form a thing called government, then a person, the ostensible head of this government, (we'll call him Obama) comes up with a plan to make everybody buy something, health insurance.

If you don't buy it, a penalty is imposed on you for failing to be obedient.

If you don't pay the penalty, the nasty letters start. If you ignore the threatening letters, eventually, a douchebag in a black robe ( a shitty lawyer aka a "judge" ) will issue a piece of paper telling mercenaries with guns (the Po-Po) to go and bring you before him.

If you decline their offer and ask them politely to leave your property, they will commence threatening you and insist that you go, then if you continue to refuse their offer, they will initiate offensive force against you. If you exercise the right all people have, self defense, they will eventually kill you.

Any more questions obedient Slave?